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Re: Calling all HMS Queen Elizabeth class fans

by Mr. Church » Sat Dec 20, 2025 12:14 pm

dick wrote: Fri Dec 12, 2025 10:32 am Thank you! Contract signed with publisher today. Book will hopefully be available in about 5 month's time.
Great stuff. I look forward to it.

Re: Calling all HMS Queen Elizabeth class fans

by 81542 » Fri Dec 12, 2025 3:11 pm

Dick,

Many Congratulations!! Please let us have a more accurate date of publication when you can. My credit card has been forewarned :big_grin:

Re: Calling all HMS Queen Elizabeth class fans

by 81542 » Fri Dec 12, 2025 3:07 pm

Angeleyes,

The Ough plans of HMS WARSPITE in her 1931 appearance should be available through the ss Great Britain Trust's website (www.ssgreatbritain.org). They were acquired by David MacGregor after Norman Ough's death and eventually the whole of the MacGregor Collection was bequeathed to the Great Britain Trust.

As of some years ago, copies of plans in the collection could be purchased on a DVD: I bought those of Günther Trenk's SMS KÖNIG for what I considered a reasonable sum.

You might also like to consider buying a copy of Alistair Roach's "The Life and Ship Models of Norman Ough;" which contains good-sized copies of many of Mr Ough's drawings of details of British warships that could be scaled up or down. It is worth having.

Re: Calling all HMS Queen Elizabeth class fans

by dick » Fri Dec 12, 2025 10:32 am

81542 wrote: Sun Sep 21, 2025 1:56 pm Thanks, El Santo. No problem. Let's hope Dick does get his work published.

Best Wishes,

81542
Thank you! Contract signed with publisher today. Book will hopefully be available in about 5 month's time.

Re: Calling all HMS Queen Elizabeth class fans

by angeleyes » Fri Dec 12, 2025 1:46 am

No ,the Maritime museum at Greenwich doesnt have them , were do i find Norman Ough plans ? are they available commercially from a specific source?

Re: Calling all HMS Queen Elizabeth class fans

by Tracy White » Thu Dec 11, 2025 11:32 am

Having just purchased copies of HMS Royal Oak plans, I can say that they are currently £60 + VAT per sheet for electronic copies *if* they have already been scanned in and £80 + VAT for the first sheet and £60 + VAT thereafter for each. I didn't ask about paper reproductions, but they do them.

Re: Calling all HMS Queen Elizabeth class fans

by 81542 » Thu Dec 11, 2025 9:46 am

Try the National Maritime Museum. I, for one, am not aware of a commercially available set for HMS QUEEN ELIZABETH specifically. If the NMM does have them they are likely to be "expensive." Otherwise, you might need to adapt Norman Ough's plans for HMS WARSPITE (circa 1931); which should be available but on disc.

Re: Calling all HMS Queen Elizabeth class fans

by angeleyes » Tue Dec 09, 2025 3:15 pm

Hi gents, i am looking for plans for the QE as it was after the 31 refit more or less like N.Oughs model , and mainly the bridge platforms at least , it seems they are hard to be found (if they do exist)!!

Re: Calling all HMS Queen Elizabeth class fans

by 81542 » Sun Sep 21, 2025 1:56 pm

Thanks, El Santo. No problem. Let's hope Dick does get his work published.

Best Wishes,

81542

Re: Calling all HMS Queen Elizabeth class fans

by El Santo » Thu Sep 18, 2025 9:16 am

81542 wrote:I have no idea El Santo, my Mk 1 Crystal Ball was hors de combat at the time but never mind that now.
Sorry-- that came out snarkier than I intended. What I was trying to say was Dick's paper was the very thing that originally opened my eyes to the complexity of this issue.

Re: Calling all HMS Queen Elizabeth class fans

by 81542 » Fri Sep 05, 2025 6:36 am

I have no idea El Santo, my Mk 1 Crystal Ball was hors de combat at the time but never mind that now. However, lacking the desired secondary information meanwhile, I respectfully suggest that you do your own research and ask the one place that might be able to answer your question: the National Maritime Museum. Otherwise, you will have to wait for Dick's projected book in the hope that it does/will.

Personal Opinion: such subjects as researched by Dick are the preserve of very few people. They spend much time on them, usually doing so with their own money and because they are of great personal interest. With good fortune Dick will find a publisher and make a small profit from his work: he is entitled to that. The rest of us can only wait (or ask the primary sources ourselves). :smallsmile:

Re: Calling all HMS Queen Elizabeth class fans

by El Santo » Mon Aug 25, 2025 10:10 am

81542 wrote:Meanwhile, El Santo, you might like to have a look at "Dick's" paper on "RN ships' bottoms and boot-topping 1936 - 1950" over on "Camouflage and Coatings."
How do you think I fell down this rabbit hole in the first place?

Re: Calling all HMS Queen Elizabeth class fans

by 81542 » Sat Aug 23, 2025 9:20 am

Meanwhile, El Santo, you might like to have a look at "Dick's" paper on "RN ships' bottoms and boot-topping 1936 - 1950" over on "Camouflage and Coatings."

Re: Calling all HMS Queen Elizabeth class fans

by dick » Fri Aug 22, 2025 3:42 pm

Not yet, but hopefully there soon will be.

Re: Calling all HMS Queen Elizabeth class fans

by El Santo » Thu Aug 21, 2025 10:13 am

dick wrote:Malaya was not a Peacock and Buchan ship.
Incidentally, is there a secondary source yet that collects from the surviving Ships' Covers the information on which vessels received which anti-fouling treatments? Or are those of us who live on the wrong side of the ocean from the relevant archives still stuck groping in the dark?

Re: Calling all HMS Queen Elizabeth class fans

by dick » Wed Aug 20, 2025 2:47 am

If I have correctly identified the post you are referring to (on Facebook) then I think my good friend Jamie was having a 'senior moment' there!

Re: Calling all HMS Queen Elizabeth class fans

by El Santo » Sat Aug 16, 2025 4:42 pm

dick wrote:Also, where has the idea that Peacock and Buchan's grey antifouling was that dark come from?
In my case personally, it came from seeing somebody online who acted like they knew what they were talking about propose the US Navy's Dark Gray 5D as a plausible approximation for Peacock & Buchan gray. No idea where the person who suggested that might have got the idea, though.

Re: Calling all HMS Queen Elizabeth class fans

by DougC » Sat Aug 16, 2025 11:30 am

El Santo wrote:I just saw this, and thought it might be of interest to somebody here. Photo of Malaya in drydock circa 1937, displaying an exceedingly dark underhull-- just barely lighter than her boot topping. Maybe the same Peacock & Buchan gray anti-fouling paint that Hood wore?
Could be the result of using orthochromatic film and lower hull was red.

Re: Calling all HMS Queen Elizabeth class fans

by dick » Sat Aug 16, 2025 2:06 am

El Santo wrote:I just saw this, and thought it might be of interest to somebody here. Photo of Malaya in drydock circa 1937, displaying an exceedingly dark underhull-- just barely lighter than her boot topping. Maybe the same Peacock & Buchan gray anti-fouling paint that Hood wore?
Unlikely: Malaya was not a Peacock and Buchan ship.

Also, where has the idea that Peacock and Buchan's grey antifouling was that dark come from? All the evidence is that it was a grey of around the same RF as Home Fleet grey, perhaps just 2 RF % points lighter.

Re: Calling all HMS Queen Elizabeth class fans

by El Santo » Fri Aug 15, 2025 12:04 pm

I just saw this, and thought it might be of interest to somebody here. Photo of Malaya in drydock circa 1937, displaying an exceedingly dark underhull-- just barely lighter than her boot topping. Maybe the same Peacock & Buchan gray anti-fouling paint that Hood wore?

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