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Re: Calling all IJN pre-WW1 cruiser "Akitsushima"

by DariusP » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:54 pm

Peppe, almost all (if not all) Japanese battleships, armored cruisers and many protected cruisers did have their 6 inchers shielded by Elswick or Armstrong type shield which are so similar they they would look identical in 1/700. However, looking at all the photos of Akitsushima, I don't see the upward angling part of the shield roof which was a feature in both Elswick and Armstrong shields. 12 pounder gun shields lack this feature as well and, since this part of the shield wasn't hinged and couldn't be folded or unfolded, I don't think that Akitsushima's gun shields were neither standard Elswick nor Armstrong.

Looking at all those photos and this drawing from your post: download/file.php?id=47565&mode=view I think that maxim's idea looks better and better :big_grin:

Re: Calling all IJN pre-WW1 cruiser "Akitsushima"

by peppe » Fri Jun 15, 2012 9:30 am

a 4.7 english gun from the book" warships for export" page 226
ciao peppe
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Re: Calling all IJN pre-WW1 cruiser "Akitsushima"

by DariusP » Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:22 pm

OkI have started some serious research today and I am not done yet :big_grin:
The highest resolution photos of Akitsushima that I have come across so far are those: http://dic.academic.ru/pictures/wiki/fi ... n_Kobe.jpg and http://dic.academic.ru/pictures/wiki/fi ... n_1897.jpg. Judging from those photos I think that shields for Akitsushima's 12 pounder QF guns look to me like an enlarged version of 3 pounder gun shields like this one from Shikishima:
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6 inch gun shields are less visible and I am still unsure about their shape but have you noticed that side view of the 6inch gun can be seen in this photo download/file.php?id=47561&mode=view from peppe's post?

Re: Calling all IJN pre-WW1 cruiser "Akitsushima"

by maxim » Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:41 am

I guess that the shields of Akitsushima's 6 in guns could have been similar to the one of USS Charleston (?) in your picture. But rear was probably not as round as in the case of the American ships, but more similar to this shield:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/barryslemmings/122144268/

Re: Calling all IJN pre-WW1 cruiser "Akitsushima"

by DariusP » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:58 am

No link but I have a whole folder of Fuji builders model photos. If you PM me your email address I will send it to you.

Re: Calling all IJN pre-WW1 cruiser "Akitsushima"

by mermaid » Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:04 am

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Re: Calling all IJN pre-WW1 cruiser "Akitsushima"

by mrwawa » Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:01 am

Thank DariusP

I am researching two different gun, first it's 6" /40 QF and second it's 12 pounder QF, both i have no data of whom built it for my particular ship.

the gun shield I posted above, i have seen in on the new japanese TV show. "SakanouenoKumo" and Naniwa's model in New Castle Museum. on the japanese ship Naniwa it has this shape of gun shield. however Naniwa was installed with Krupp Gun "2 � 260 mm (10 in) L/35 Krupp guns 6 x 152 mm (6.0 in) L/35 Krupp guns"

Anyhow your picture of IJN Fuji, has confirm the gun shield shape.

thanks...

Btw do you have anymore of IJN fuji model pictures? or link?

:thumbs_up_1:

Re: Calling all IJN pre-WW1 cruiser "Akitsushima"

by DariusP » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:53 pm

I'm still not sure what caliber guns you have in mind but I have never seen type of shield from first two photos used oh Japanese ship of the period.
Here are shields for 6inch and 3 pounder guns from Fuji's builders model:
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Re: Calling all IJN pre-WW1 cruiser "Akitsushima"

by mrwawa » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:16 am

Thanks DaruisP


below are the few photos i think might be the shape of gun shield... at 1894 for IJN.

what do you think?
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Re: Calling all IJN pre-WW1 cruiser "Akitsushima"

by DariusP » Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:57 pm

I agree that this thread might be more at home in online build projects forum. Now, I am not sure that I understand what you mean by "the gun shield on british Elswick design"... I am assuming 6" guns but, since Akitsushima wasn't Elswick build, do you have any info that she was armed with Elswick QFs and not Armstrongs? I did some checking online and in Jentschura's book but couldn't find any answers.
Anyway, here is 6inch QF Elswick:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:QF6in ... valGun.jpg

And here is Armstrong:
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Re: Calling all IJN pre-WW1 cruiser "Akitsushima"

by mrwawa » Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:37 pm

Thanks DariusP and moomoon.. :wave_1:

here are the new update... ( i have feeling, i am posting on the wrong thread.... should i move it to online build project?)

Any I am running into new problem! the gun shield on british Elswick design... Any idea what shape is it??

Currently i am using gun shield from Modelkrak, and it's a little bit too thick. so I am thinking to build it from plastic stock. and how should I tackle this gun shield if I build it from scratch?

Thanks.. :woo_hoo:
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Re: Calling all IJN pre-WW1 cruiser "Akitsushima"

by DariusP » Fri May 18, 2012 6:39 pm

Great job! You really went out to town on this one! :thumbs_up_1:

Re: Calling all IJN pre-WW1 cruiser "Akitsushima"

by moomoon » Fri May 18, 2012 3:50 pm

Nice one, very interesting subject :smallsmile:

Re: Calling all IJN pre-WW1 cruiser "Akitsushima"

by mrwawa » Wed May 16, 2012 10:06 pm

for some reason the photo it's upside down... hummm.....
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Re: Calling all IJN pre-WW1 cruiser "Akitsushima"

by mrwawa » Wed May 16, 2012 10:02 pm

Oh...~~~! My eye.... :Mad_6:
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Re: Calling all IJN pre-WW1 cruiser "Akitsushima"

by mrwawa » Sun May 06, 2012 7:49 pm

More update

:)
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Re: Calling all IJN pre-WW1 cruiser "Akitsushima"

by DariusP » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:11 pm

LOL mrwawa that's the problem with Modelkrak: the closer you look the less you like it. Your scratchbuild looks better than their attempt already. And I really like the gunboat. Looks like you started with a dud and will end up with a diorama! :thumbs_up_1:

Re: Calling all IJN pre-WW1 cruiser "Akitsushima"

by mrwawa » Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:49 am

OK ... you guys are right... Modelkrak it's deadly :woo_hoo: ..... the length, height, bow and stern shape all wrong... and upper deck, pilot housing...etc...


so... here it's the update...

on the side note, while working Akitsushima, I decided to work on Chinese "Ciao Jiang" gun boat, It was capture by Akitsushima in Battle of Pudong (Koshing)
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Re: Calling all IJN pre-WW1 cruiser "Akitsushima"

by maxim » Sun Apr 08, 2012 12:22 pm

The masts were likely modified, because Akitsushima was active between 1894-1927, e.g. by adding wireless equipment.

For the Chinese-Japanese war, this photo should be useful:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IJN_A ... n_Kobe.jpg

Re: Calling all IJN pre-WW1 cruiser "Akitsushima"

by mrwawa » Sun Apr 08, 2012 7:09 am

Oh.... yeah... i'm aware...

Modelkrak Akitsushim bow shape like Black Pearl from Pirate of Caribbean.

well it is what it is.... :mad_2:

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