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Re: Blue Ridge Models USS Nautilus (was Yankee)

by Fritz » Sat Jan 05, 2013 3:41 pm

Hi Patman
Patman wrote:I�ve ordered it.
I hope it�s as good as the Gudgeon :thumbs_up_1:

Any plans of an 1/350 Barracuda, Skate, Seawolf, Triton, etc?

Saludos.
The Nautilus came out well. Better than I expected. However at the time I started her, I had no idea of what actual RP process I were designing for. The end result was just as good with the detail, but required more pre-production work on the Masters to achieve it. Thus the kit has a slightly rougher surface, that requires a light sanding. So ultimately, the Nautilus kit itself is good, but it was a nightmare on our end. With Gudgeon, I was able to design the Digital master specific to the Sla table tolerances, which made post production work easier for Mike Czibovic. With Albacore, again the digital Master was improved to incorporate ease for Mikes' preferred casting methods.

As for whats next, I wish I could say. Brandon prefers to keep things close to the chest, which is why I never post in-progress shots. Wish I could though, so I could find a little peer encouragement/advice... especially when I'm struggling with a detail, like I am now, on the current project. Anyhow, so is the deal with Corporate secrets! :roll:

Hope you enjoy the Nautilus!

Re: Blue Ridge Models USS Nautilus (was Yankee)

by Patman » Sat Jan 05, 2013 12:16 am

I�ve ordered it.
I hope it�s as good as the Gudgeon :thumbs_up_1:

Any plans of an 1/350 Barracuda, Skate, Seawolf, Triton, etc?

Saludos.

Re: Blue Ridge Models USS Nautilus (was Yankee)

by Fritz » Wed Jun 27, 2012 2:49 pm

Thanks Tim and Micheal!

Hopefully the next one will be just as impressive..

Re: Blue Ridge Models USS Nautilus (was Yankee)

by mcg » Wed Jun 27, 2012 9:46 am

Congratulations on the USS Nautilus, Fritz. So fine!
Michael

Re: Blue Ridge Models USS Nautilus (was Yankee)

by Cadman » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:50 pm

Impressive CAD work. I look forward to seeing more of your work make it into resin.

Re: Blue Ridge Models USS Nautilus (was Yankee)

by Roscoe » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:13 pm

Now your just teasing us Fritz, do tell. :big_grin:

-Dean

Re: Blue Ridge Models USS Nautilus (was Yankee)

by Fritz » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:58 am

Dean, I soooooooo wish I could show you! but it ay be a while before can get permission.

Where the Nautilus was historicaly significant. The next subject is just plain badass looking. (I actually finished the Cad model almost two years ago)...

Then there is what I'm working on right now. :heh:

Re: Blue Ridge Models USS Nautilus (was Yankee)

by Roscoe » Thu Jun 21, 2012 10:49 pm

It really turned out great Fritz, nice job all around. So what's next? :big_grin:

Dean

Re: Blue Ridge Models USS Nautilus

by Fritz » Thu Jun 21, 2012 8:41 pm

Yes!! it is done! The limber slots forward of the anchor well seem to have been lost due to the resoultion of the RP. But easily correctable physicaly with a scribe.

Photos here..
http://www.freetimehobbies.com/BRM-35002.aspx

Re: Yankee Modelworks USS Nautilus

by Roscoe » Fri Nov 04, 2011 9:31 am

Excellent work Fritz, it looks great... I'm definitely interested in seeing the model when you get it, the more photos the better. :big_grin:

Dean

Re: Yankee Modelworks USS Nautilus

by tea monster » Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:37 am

That is some beautiful work there, the deck details especially. You'll have to show us the kit when it comes out.

Owen

Re: Yankee Modelworks USS Nautilus

by Fritz » Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:06 am

Owen

I'm not sure if their machines can take spline objects. Maybe they can, but I only know of them accepting .stl meshes.

At any rate. I reworked the tolerances, and resubmitted the files. The only good thing about last weekends work is that it gave me a chance to make a few last minute corrections to the deck pattern based on some new photos I came across. particularly with the safety track in the fore and aft areas. We'll have to wait and see how it comes out in the end. Hopefully in the next week or so.
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Re: Yankee Modelworks USS Nautilus

by tea monster » Sat Oct 29, 2011 7:23 pm

Yeah, it was probably that. I've seen someone make a case for the double-stack option as well, but I can't remember what it was at the moment.

Keep us updated as things progress, looks like it's going to be interesting. Do the printers say if they prefer spline models over polygon meshes?

Owen

Re: Yankee Modelworks USS Nautilus

by Fritz » Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:54 pm

Owen. As far as the Manassas is concerned, I'd stick to the contempory sketches. Harpers weekly made at least two of her, each showing only one stack on center. Unter Worlsley's command in her action against Richmond, He states that she lost her Smokestack" (singular) in the action.

Another view Made by a crew aboard the 'Hariet Lane" also shows one

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/imag ... h46620.jpg

Then throw in the sketch by Chalaron which is dimensioned. After a quick check, it proves to be to scale. She comes out to only 12.5 feet in beam which is a bit narrow for a side by side stack arrangement. A Draft of 14 ft, wl beam of 12.5 is consistent with proportions for tugs at the time.

Re: Yankee Modelworks USS Nautilus

by tea monster » Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:06 pm

Yeah, last minute alterations are a pain... always preceded by that dreaded phrase "Just one little thing..."

The ironclad in question was the CSS Manassas. Some accounts say she had two funnels, and others say one. There are no photos or real plans, just the general consensus that she was turtle-backed, had a gun on one end, a flag on the other and a smokestack (or stacks) in the middle.

Owen

Re: Yankee Modelworks USS Nautilus

by Fritz » Thu Oct 27, 2011 2:46 pm

tea monster wrote: Sorry to hear about all the back-and-forth, hoping it's all going to go to plan this time!

Owen
(Singing) Oooh..Ohh..The cat came back.. the very next day. The cat came back.. It wouldn't go away..

Yep. Chris brought the files over to the SLA service and they reviewed them with some "Suggested alterations to assure fidelity". And now,to rework the depths for the deck and limber details..

Ugh..

PS: Owen, Which ironclad is the one in question? Many ironclads had removable stacks; Both to clear low bridges in inland waterways, as well as removing during battle (leaving just a short trunk to keep water out). It could be if she's powering off only one set of boilers, she's left her other stack stowed.

Re: Yankee Modelworks USS Nautilus

by tea monster » Wed Oct 26, 2011 6:12 pm

OMG, that is amazing!

Don't feel bad about missing the odd thing here and there. A lot of us are into Civil War ironclads. There is one of those where nobody can agree how many funnels it had, so things could be a lot worse!

Owen

Re: Yankee Modelworks USS Nautilus

by Fritz » Wed Oct 26, 2011 12:03 pm

Thanks Owen and Dean.

As far as there never being a "true" nautilus model, I'm not sure. The Wilhelmshaven paper model gets the shape pretty much spot on, although the deck details are a little lacking. Even my model may not be 100% accurate, as I have conflicting evidence of where the safety track is lead around the aft rescue hatch, and no hard photos. I have mine looping around the hatch reinforcing plate and inboard of the stern winch, and I've seen some sources suggesting that it terminates outboard of the winch. Aside from that I think I've got her pretty much correct.

Where I find most kits have gone wrong is the improper positioning of the stations that were originally available at the archives (but have since been reclassified post 9/11). In the body plan there are 25 stations; 10 forward and 15 aft. What gives many people a hard time, is the secret that these stations don't describe the whole boat. The first ten are over 78.5 ft and the last 25 are over the last 124ft 10 in. In between the hull is just a cylinder. I find most models wind up trying to spread the fwd stations over loo long a length creating pointy bows.

The second thing I've noticed is that many get confused with the turtle-back/superstructure shape between the fore and aft sections. Between station 40 (i.e the tenth station) and station 44 (the 11th station) the hull is cylindrical, but the vertical angle on the turtle-back sides changes. The transition is one that was detailed in a separate bu-ships drawing that no-one has really been able to locate. The end result is that many seem to try to connect these points with a fair curve, or fudge the forward intersection line to a point higher up on the outer-hull. If you look at the launching photos it's clear that the intersection swoops up from the bow leveling off at station forty, and then near the sail, decidedly transitions up a second time. Compare the fifth picture I posted with the launching photos and you can see it.

As I said, I couldn't find plans that detail this area, so I had to go to option t#2, which was to survey the actual Nautilus. Luckily I live only an hour and forty-five from Groton. Armed with a clipboard, tape measure and an electronic level, I made the trip, hung over the side of the boat, measured the length from deck edge to the intersection, and measure the plate angle to vertical on both sides (take average, since she had a 2.5 degree list). Fore and aft measurements were measured from conveniently placed brass plaques with frame labels that are welded to the deck edges.

The hard Part? Convincing the Middie stationed at the top of the companionway , whose sole purpose was apparently to keep crazy people with tape-measures, clipboards, and electronic levels from hanging over the side of the boat, to...well.... let me jump the restricted access gate, head aft, and hang over the side of the boat..

Re: Yankee Modelworks USS Nautilus

by Roscoe » Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:49 am

Very nice, it should make a great kit. I've always had a thing for subs, they just have that "cool factor" about them, looking forward to more of your work.

Dean

Re: Yankee Modelworks USS Nautilus

by tea monster » Wed Oct 26, 2011 4:01 am

That is lovely work! Is it true what I've heard about there not being a 'true' model of the Nautilus ever made before?

Sorry to hear about all the back-and-forth, hoping it's all going to go to plan this time!

Owen

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