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Re: Calling all Lion-class, QM, & Tiger ("Splendid Cat") BC

by pascalemod » Tue Nov 26, 2024 5:34 am

Wanted to add to this thread as startup Triumph Models outfit released HMS Lion in 1914 and 1916 fit, in full hull, in 1/700 from resin+3d printed parts.

I picked the kit up and started to tinker with it. Oversized hull plates and not very accurate, so hull itself needs work.

In my search for photo references for things such as the hull, there is surprisingly little available online photos, especially in full hull. Whats interesting is how different the ship used to sit in the water, it lacked or had boot topping, etc. The draft markings seem to vary also.

The hull should be grey below water according to Richard Dennis (on FB) and so this would build quite beautifully, I imagine. This model is in the Elgin museum (only one picture I could find, if anyone has more please share).
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Whats interesting for me is to determine how it was painted. On the pic below, the ship in dry dock has 4 colors - antifouling, freeboard, and then the boot topping. I wonder if it is really grey hull, then dark grey boot topping above water and black boot topping below water, and then antifouling color? But that is a bit strange, why would boot topping be grey and black? Or what am I looking at exactly?
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Re: Calling all Lion-class, QM, & Tiger ("Splendid Cat") BC

by HMSInflexible » Wed Jan 25, 2023 2:41 pm

Hello everybody, I thought you might like to see my model of HMS Lion which I completed recently.

I built it from the Combrig kit but made additions to give the ship its appearance at the end of the first world war.

4 inch AA guns and the Sopwith aircraft are from AJM, the secondary barrels are master 6 inch (slightly inaccurate I know, but they are about the right size!) the turrets were designed by my good friends in the IPMS battleship special interest group, Nigel and Martyn. The bridge additions were made with plastic and brass rod and aluminium sheet and the Carley floats are from L�Arsenal and Micro master. The Searchlight Towers came from sprue runners and also some leftover Tamiya jagdpanther exhaust covers - never throw anything away!

I hope you like it.
Tally Ho!
Jonathan
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Re: Calling all Lion-class, QM, & Tiger ("Splendid Cat") BC

by KevinD » Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:41 am

Nice pic here of Tiger in heavy weather.
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Re: HMS Lion

by tjstoneman » Sun Feb 14, 2021 4:19 pm

Difficult to know without colour photography - and there's nothing in the CASF thread (Calling all Lion-class, QM, & Tiger ("Splendid Cat") BC fans - viewtopic.php?f=47&t=49948). Given that searchlights and other fittings were present, I'd expect there to be corticene there.

HMS Lion

by Steve Jones » Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:21 am

quick question to all the WW1 battlecruiser fans - does anybody know what colour the deck above the rear 4" mountings was on HMS Lion? Im talking about the walkway that surrounds the aft boat deck, just aft of the mainmanst? I have a plan that shows it to be corticene, but I suspect it may have been just painted metal - if so, what colour?

Re: Calling all Lion-class, QM, & Tiger ("Splendid Cat") BC

by MartinJQuinn » Sun Feb 03, 2019 1:59 pm

Added a list of available kits and gallery entries to the first page

Re: Hms Tiger Battlrcruiser 1 or 2 rudders?

by chuck » Sat Feb 02, 2019 10:40 am

Photo of the Tiger just before her launch clearly shows she had twin elliptical shaped rudders.

Also, I believe all British battlecruisers up to and including tiger, as well as the Kongo, had twin elliptical rudders. Renown was the first British battlecruiser to adopt a single centerline rudder.

2 rudders I think!!!

by david angelo » Sat Feb 02, 2019 5:31 am

Most of the RN ships of that era had 2. Beryer & Burt both say 2.
HTH,
David

Re: Hms Tiger Battlrcruiser 1 or 2 rudders?

by pascalemod » Sat Feb 02, 2019 3:57 am

EDIT: seems many say 2!

Hms Tiger Battlrcruiser 1 or 2 rudders?

by COLIN SWAGER » Fri Feb 01, 2019 11:48 pm

Hi guys
Can anyone please tell me if Hms Tiger battlecruiser had one or two rudders.
The combrig 1/350 kit supplies one but I have seen photosof the ship in dock clearly showing two rudders.
Help !!!!!!!
Colin Swager
New Zealand
Colin.swager@gmail.com

Re: Calling all Lion-class, QM, & Tiger ("Splendid Cat") BC

by mauricejob » Sat Oct 31, 2015 2:18 am

Tiger is now all but finished. There is still some, any probably always be little bits and pieces that can be added, but she has now moved from the workshop to the house.
A recent model boats event was held on one of New Zealands few (1 or 2) purpose built model boat ponds in the town of Hawera, and Tiger caused quite a stir. video of her at the event can be viewed on YouTube at location

https://youtu.be/KkXEyLo1RKM

Performance of the model is great, speed more than enough, turning is good and she is very predictable. The smoke system may be upgraded to generate more, we'll see.
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Tiger in her new purpose built cabinet
Tiger in her new purpose built cabinet

Re: Calling all Lion-class, QM, & Tiger ("Splendid Cat") BC

by mauricejob » Sun Sep 06, 2015 10:18 pm

My friend Joel (http://www.boathousecollectables.co.nz/) hosts monthly "Social Modelling Days" and I took Tiger again this month. These photos were among others taken by a fellow attendee.
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This one shows the navigation lights. I used high intensity LEDs
This one shows the navigation lights. I used high intensity LEDs
A general view showing the busy midships section including the boats.
A general view showing the busy midships section including the boats.

Re: Calling all Lion-class, QM, & Tiger ("Splendid Cat") BC

by mauricejob » Thu Sep 03, 2015 11:10 pm

It is time I posted an update! Tiger has progressed as much as expected, at some 800 hours work, the model is nearly complete, it looks complete on the water, but searchlights, and some deck lockers etc still needed. I also have no idea of the appearance of the four coaling winches. Navigation lights are in and tested, smoke system very successful and much detail from the book of photos added.
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A quarter bow view which show the overall appearance of the model.
A quarter bow view which show the overall appearance of the model.
Broadside view which if you can blow it up (shift/control/+) will show you the detail (control/0 restores size to original)
Broadside view which if you can blow it up (shift/control/+) will show you the detail (control/0 restores size to original)

Re: Calling all Lion-class, QM, & Tiger ("Splendid Cat") BC

by mauricejob » Sun Nov 23, 2014 5:07 pm

Tiger had her first public outing at the annual "Armistice in Cambridge" weekend. I have had a few minor hiccups; turret drives are not working as expected, and the smoke system quit during the weekend. These things can be resolved. The event is based on Lake Karapiro which is the national Rowing venue on the Waikato River. The pictures are grabbed from movie so not the greatest quality.

Progress has been slow with too much time spent on the animations, I have logged some 600 hours now with probably 3-400 to go
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Heading out into Lake Karapiro, she handled swells from Navy RIBs quite well
Heading out into Lake Karapiro, she handled swells from Navy RIBs quite well
A drive by shot. The model is a little tender, probably due to the weight of the funnels, but handles pretty much as expected. Scale rudders and the turning circle is about 15metres.
A drive by shot. The model is a little tender, probably due to the weight of the funnels, but handles pretty much as expected. Scale rudders and the turning circle is about 15metres.

Re: Calling all Lion-class, QM, & Tiger ("Splendid Cat") BC

by mauricejob » Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:20 am

A couple of progress pictures, A local model shop was having a "Social Modelling Day" and I took the ship along.
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This pic shows the model on a converted trolley. This is how I propose transporting to the pond, and it lies on this in the wagon as well
This pic shows the model on a converted trolley. This is how I propose transporting to the pond, and it lies on this in the wagon as well
This one shows where most of the more recent work has gone. The searchlight towers are on, most of the bridge work is done, You may be able to see the (unpainted) railings on each deck level up to the Compass Platform
This one shows where most of the more recent work has gone. The searchlight towers are on, most of the bridge work is done, You may be able to see the (unpainted) railings on each deck level up to the Compass Platform
This angle shows among other things, the planked deck, that alone took some 30 hours. I used Basswood (Evergreen product) and stripped it by hand.<br /><br />The small hull is of the tug 'Flying Eagle&quot; at the same scale as Tiger.
This angle shows among other things, the planked deck, that alone took some 30 hours. I used Basswood (Evergreen product) and stripped it by hand.

The small hull is of the tug 'Flying Eagle" at the same scale as Tiger.

Re: Calling all Lion-class, QM, & Tiger ("Splendid Cat") BC

by mauricejob » Tue May 27, 2014 3:33 am

Progress again, after the usual busy season at work, I am back into it. The mast standing rigging is done, some wiring in place, port 6" done, deck planking underway. Also done is the handrail along the port side of the fo'c'sle deck (between the 6" casemates)

I have the R/C system and programmable servos for the turrets. Theses can be slowed to as little as 4% speed and throw increased to 160 degrees. Gearing will do the rest.

The model is now around to bring the starboard detail up to the same stage.
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The model out of the workshop to be turned for access to the other side.
The model out of the workshop to be turned for access to the other side.
Somewhat cluttered pic showing the mast with standing rigging complete. In the interests of pondside durability, the rigging is in .040 fishing nylon which recovers from a knock.
Somewhat cluttered pic showing the mast with standing rigging complete. In the interests of pondside durability, the rigging is in .040 fishing nylon which recovers from a knock.

Re: Calling all Lion-class, QM, & Tiger ("Splendid Cat") BC

by mauricejob » Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:21 am

In the many pictures in the book "The Lost Photographs" the lamps can be seen rotated as a unit and individually on the mounting. In one photo the shells are laid right back, ie pointing straight up, possibly for fitting of the lamps (?) Unfortunately they are very small in the photos and detail of the mountings is indistinct, especially as in many they are covered with a tarpaulin.

Interestingly, all the other ships covered in the book have 36inch single lamps, not the 24inch twins.
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This shot gives the general appearance of the mounting, another shows the base to be a cone and others show ather &quot;bits&quot; None show what exactly is between the lamps. I agree with your description of the 'boxes' Note also here that the shells are empty, no lamps fitted as yet.
This shot gives the general appearance of the mounting, another shows the base to be a cone and others show ather "bits" None show what exactly is between the lamps. I agree with your description of the 'boxes' Note also here that the shells are empty, no lamps fitted as yet.

Re: Calling all Lion-class, QM, & Tiger ("Splendid Cat") BC

by TCC » Sun Mar 16, 2014 8:43 am

mauricejob wrote:I measure the funnels mid height and to the outer edge of the (somewhat thick) printed line, as follows:
No 1; 2-7/32 or 57.6mm
No 2; 2-1/32 or 51.7mm
No 3; 2-1/16 or 52.8mm

At scale of 1:96 and allowing for distortions due to re-copying, that makes the funnels
No1; 17'9" or 5.529m
No 2; 16'3" or 4.963m
No 3; 16'6" or 5.068m
I make an assumption as to realistic dimensions (why would they have built a major item, such as a funnel, to a dimension of inches), it could be argued the funnels actually were in round feet; 18feet and 16 feet in diameter

Hope that helps
Yes, thats great! Thanks, I was just curious. You may be right about them specifying them in feet ... and I'd think No2 & 3 funnels are the same diameter, the difference is down to the width of the draughtmans pencil. :smallsmile:

Let me correct something about the s/lights, the 'rectangular shapes' (vents?) I said were top and bottom are only on the top of the lamps. And could one S/light point fore while the other points to the side? I have seen it but can't find the image again. But I'm best showing you one of the clearest photographs I have of this twin 24in unit we seek... this is Neptune:
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