by chuck » Fri Aug 26, 2022 11:40 pm
2 questions regarding the Udaloy II class destroyer Admiral Chabenanko:
1. On the Chabenanko. the sides of the forward superstructure block at main deck level contain two large cutouts screened by what appear to be mesh or fine grating. The area covered by the grating is located directly behind the big P-270 moskit/Ss-N-22 sunburn missile launchers.
These grating does not correspond to any ventilation or air intake on Udaloy I ships. There is no reason I can see why Udaloy II will need some huge new vents that Udaloy I didn�t need. So my suspicion is these grating do not cover any real vents in the superstructure. Rather they probably just afford some additional protection to an semi-enclosed area above the whether deck created by blast deflector behind the Moskit launchers. So the area behind these gratings is not properly inside the superstructure, buy just a sort of screened promenade on the weather deck.
If that is correct, then on the trumpeter model I intend to cut away the molded mesh pattern on the superstructure surface that close off these cut outs, replace it with a fine photo etch mesh, and scratch build the true sides of main superstructure behind the mesh.
Can anyone point me to any on-board photos showing this part of the admiral Chabanenko?
2. On Udaloy I class ships, the quadruple torpedo tubes are exposed above deck just behind the break of f�c�stle and fire over the side of the ship. There is a pivoting reload cradle right behind the torpedo tubes. Presumably the reload torpedo can be placed on carts at the mid-ship underway replenishment station via the use of the prominent crane, and then shuttled around the deck on rails until they can be located next to the reload cradle Where they can be pushed up through the pivoting reload cradle to be aligned with the individual torpedo tubes and be pushed into the tubes. On the Chabanenko, the break of f�c�stle has been moved aft to enclose the torpedo tubes, so the torpedo tubes are now completely below deck and normally protected from weather. They fire instead out the side of the ship through doors that open upwards, like on the Slava and Kirov classes. Being completely enclosed below deck, it would seem the Udaloy 1 method of reloading tubes via replenishment station and trolley rails around deck would not work unless there is some big door at the break of,f�c�stle that would enable the torpedo carts to be pushed through the break of f�c�stle. On the trumpeter model, there is only a normal sized water tight door. The cart rails stop and does not go in through the break of f�c�stle. Yet it clearly depicts a pivoting reload cradle straddling the cart rails right behind the f�c�stle break, where it could not possible play a role in loading the torpedo tubes. So I think trumpeter clearly merged features seen in Udaloy i with known layout of Udaloy ii and then added some conjectures where it had no firm information, , without realizing the mixture of features it depicted can�t be but nonsense, because the Udaloy I features it borrowed can�t work with the Udaloy ii configuration it depicted. My guess is the break of f�c�stle isn�t completely enclosed as depicted by trumpeter, and accessible only through a standard size water tight door. Rather it is open to the back, So the torpedo tubes are enclosed outboard by the hull side, protect4d overhead by the extended f�c�stle deck, but not enclosed to the rear. Does anyone know of any photos showing close up of the break of f�c�stle on udaloy ii Adm Chabanenko, preferably seen from the rear?
Thanks.
2 questions regarding the Udaloy II class destroyer Admiral Chabenanko:
1. On the Chabenanko. the sides of the forward superstructure block at main deck level contain two large cutouts screened by what appear to be mesh or fine grating. The area covered by the grating is located directly behind the big P-270 moskit/Ss-N-22 sunburn missile launchers.
These grating does not correspond to any ventilation or air intake on Udaloy I ships. There is no reason I can see why Udaloy II will need some huge new vents that Udaloy I didn�t need. So my suspicion is these grating do not cover any real vents in the superstructure. Rather they probably just afford some additional protection to an semi-enclosed area above the whether deck created by blast deflector behind the Moskit launchers. So the area behind these gratings is not properly inside the superstructure, buy just a sort of screened promenade on the weather deck.
If that is correct, then on the trumpeter model I intend to cut away the molded mesh pattern on the superstructure surface that close off these cut outs, replace it with a fine photo etch mesh, and scratch build the true sides of main superstructure behind the mesh.
Can anyone point me to any on-board photos showing this part of the admiral Chabanenko?
2. On Udaloy I class ships, the quadruple torpedo tubes are exposed above deck just behind the break of f�c�stle and fire over the side of the ship. There is a pivoting reload cradle right behind the torpedo tubes. Presumably the reload torpedo can be placed on carts at the mid-ship underway replenishment station via the use of the prominent crane, and then shuttled around the deck on rails until they can be located next to the reload cradle Where they can be pushed up through the pivoting reload cradle to be aligned with the individual torpedo tubes and be pushed into the tubes. On the Chabanenko, the break of f�c�stle has been moved aft to enclose the torpedo tubes, so the torpedo tubes are now completely below deck and normally protected from weather. They fire instead out the side of the ship through doors that open upwards, like on the Slava and Kirov classes. Being completely enclosed below deck, it would seem the Udaloy 1 method of reloading tubes via replenishment station and trolley rails around deck would not work unless there is some big door at the break of,f�c�stle that would enable the torpedo carts to be pushed through the break of f�c�stle. On the trumpeter model, there is only a normal sized water tight door. The cart rails stop and does not go in through the break of f�c�stle. Yet it clearly depicts a pivoting reload cradle straddling the cart rails right behind the f�c�stle break, where it could not possible play a role in loading the torpedo tubes. So I think trumpeter clearly merged features seen in Udaloy i with known layout of Udaloy ii and then added some conjectures where it had no firm information, , without realizing the mixture of features it depicted can�t be but nonsense, because the Udaloy I features it borrowed can�t work with the Udaloy ii configuration it depicted. My guess is the break of f�c�stle isn�t completely enclosed as depicted by trumpeter, and accessible only through a standard size water tight door. Rather it is open to the back, So the torpedo tubes are enclosed outboard by the hull side, protect4d overhead by the extended f�c�stle deck, but not enclosed to the rear. Does anyone know of any photos showing close up of the break of f�c�stle on udaloy ii Adm Chabanenko, preferably seen from the rear?
Thanks.