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by **ARH** » Sat May 20, 2006 11:51 am

kennylibben wrote:just checked.

middle hasn't posted since Apr. 11th.

ARH, have you heard from him?

I have not heard anything Kenny, ARH

by **kennylibben** » Sat May 20, 2006 9:57 am

just checked.

middle hasn't posted since Apr. 11th.

ARH, have you heard from him?

by **kennylibben** » Sat May 20, 2006 9:54 am

i've been wondering the same thing, i asked a few weeks ago in a different thread but to no reply.

by **largeallan** » Sat May 20, 2006 8:55 am

Are you any farther forward with this build, middle-watch?....I, for one am very interested in an update on the 'Nasty Naiad' project....or 'Nosh Naiad' as she was known in some circles!!

by **middle_watch** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:39 am

I just had a disturbing note from Paul Simpson that HMS Plymouth (and presumably Bronington and the submarines) are in imminant danger of being lost to us.

I find it incredible that vast sums of money earmarked for Heritage can be spent on things such as Churchill's personal papers which perhaps a handful of people will ever see and yet our true heritage is consigned to the scrap yards.

I admire Churchill greatly, but I think the Man himself would chew up a cigar in anger if he were alive today and learned money went to a wastral descendant to maintain an unearned playboy life style rather than on preserving for future generations the steel defenders of the Nation in which said descendant would never have dreamed of setting foot on in case he got grease on his Italian made silk suit, let alone spilling his blood within while wearing blue serge.

by **Victorious** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 6:04 am

I can see your point Art, but in our country's case, spending hundreds of millions on the Iraqi war, which was uneccessary really makes my blood boil, and 80% of the rest of us here in Blighty, think the same.

Just 1 million pounds per year, would be enough to preserve historic vessels for posterity, together with the income they would create, from paying visitors.

Volunteer's would look after them, it just needs a bit of government funding, to help maintain them. Other museums, such as the Natural History Museum, Victoria & Albert Museum and other such establishments, all receive government funding.
Why not Historic Ships, they are just as much of our heritage, as other interests are.

by **Art** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:35 am

It is not, that nobody is interested in keeping old warships as museum pieces or other forms of historic interest, it is just a sad fact that in a country with a population of just 4 million there just isn't enough spare cash to go around.

The corporate sector is constantly being hammered for donations and the cost of maintaining a ship of this size is just out of the question.

Probably better to be sunk as an artificial reef than be broken up for razor blades. At least she still 'exists' and her memory lives on, even if it is underwater and accessible by only a few.

by **Victorious** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 1:10 pm

What a sad end, to another great warship. Why couldn't they have preserved it for everyone to see, instead of just the piviledged few, who can aford to go diving and pay outlandished prices for the oportunity.
That guy certainly had his homework done, by making a killing out of auctioning off all the stuff on her and will no doubt make lot's more from people who want to dive on her. Typical entrepaneur, just out to make money, without any interest into the history of the ship, and her part of British and New Zealand heritage.

by **Art** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 12:39 am

>>Ah, that would explain it, in which case she in her guise as the Wellington, my mistake. And thanks, I was wondering if it was a civilian yard, they have been used on occasion. I think I am right it was Wellington? Waikato was purpose built for the RNZN

My bad. Yes it was the HMNZS Wellington ex HMS Bacchante and not the Waikato.

A video stream of her last days and sinking can be seen here: http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/423466/629493

by **middle_watch** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 3:46 am

Ah, that would explain it, in which case she in her guise as the Wellington, my mistake. And thanks, I was wondering if it was a civilian yard, they have been used on occasion. I think I am right it was Wellington? Waikato was purpose built for the RNZN

I agree on the putty shaping, my intent was to get the shape right and then flense away a thin layer and replace with aluminium sheet, just in case there are any Thors or Baldurs lurking on the local duck pond!

I did debate originally something similar Tommy, I wondered if a line of nails driven into the bow would form me a suitable skeleton, but decided all I would do is split the ply keel, never thought of your solution, maybe next time, thanks.

by **Art** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 12:02 am

Out of curiosity anyone recognise this dry dock? The crane is not the usual type seen in the RN dockyards and the dock seems very shallow.

IIRC Looks like the RNZN Calliope Devonport drydock, Auckland, NZ.

HMNZS Waikato ex HMS Bachante. R.I.P

( I stand to be corrected by any officianado. Have not looked up my references.)

by **Art** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:57 pm

I *was* going to post a pic of the final plunge for this ship, pyrotechnics and all, but thought better of it.

Too depressing to see her go to her final rest as an artificial reef. After so many years of service, to finally surrender last month to a fireworks finale. Better than the breakers yard I suppose.

*&^%**!!! greenies!!

by **TommyL** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:08 pm

Im not sure if trying to use body filler to get that sharp bow is going to be the best way. Filler is strong but does not like being bumbed much.

I just want to throw in my 2�. You do not have to do what I say but maybe I can help stimulate your mind to figure out a better way.

by **Victorious** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 6:09 pm

middle_watch wrote:Out of curiosity anyone recognise this dry dock? The crane is not the usual type seen in the RN dockyards and the dock seems very shallow.

Well

It's DEFINATELY not my Drydock

Mines made of wood and doesn't have a crane.

Nice work so far middlewatch, just keep applying thin coats, sanding in between and it will soon start taking shape.

by **Timmy C** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:26 pm

Just be glad it hasn't been raining for 28 consecative days over there

by **TommyL** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:23 pm

Firtst coat looks good keep going.

Seems funny that everyone across the pond has a nice garden and patio at their homes.

by **middle_watch** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:04 pm

Cheers admiral!

by **middle_watch** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 12:03 pm

As you can see from this picture of HMS Bacchante in dry dock the bow of the Leander is razor sharp and a tough proposition to model! I have a long way to go yet.

Out of curiosity anyone recognise this dry dock? The crane is not the usual type seen in the RN dockyards and the dock seems very shallow.

by **ARH** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:58 am

Now were getting there, thats a nice first layer of paste, give it more sanding and then another coat of paste, very thin, looking good,

ARH

by **middle_watch** » Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:56 am

I started to apply the second coat in small batches, this was as far as I got before work phoned and hauled me back in. Here I sit now and probably will be here all night, sigh.

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