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We do have a bosun's chair but.... Yeah about that.... Hahaha

Jason, just saw this and I must say...totally awesome. :thumbs_up_1:

Mike

I believe the spacing along the hull length is the issue. The plates are applied at a frame spacing, which causes the distance along the hull plating to be greater as the hull fairs inward, especially along turrets one and two. Very useful that our correspondents measured the actual locations of these butt plates!

Cheers: T

Um, Cliffy... will you please pull the Wisky out of the water for me and take clear photos of both sides of the hull, say in 20 ft sections? :eyebrows:

I must have missed the discussion on the Eduard gusset plates... are they the wrong size?

Jason:

Looking forward to your plating travails! Ummm, perhaps shouldn't have implied this was a bit like going to the colosseum? Doing the whole hull or something less ambitious? I can see the requests now to be sending Cliffy over the side in a weighted Bosun's chair (Scuba gear) and the end of a tape measure. So many ships have those weird looking two dimensional plating plans available looking ever so much like a flattened cat, but not the Iowa's, at least so far as has come to light. As always a major challenge to have it come off in scale and barely visible, but "there".

Cheers: Tom

Jason,

Glad to hear/see an update on your Big I!! I think what you've got is commendable - the hull looks "right" - good job overall.

The butt plates - go by CliffyB/James M measurements taken last fall (posted a while back) and not the ones on the Eduard Instruction sheet. I think they will work out very well; perhaps installed last AFTER you put in the plate lines.

Good work, compadre'!

Hank

I know I've been quiet on this build for a while but it isn't dead... since my last post here I've put 20+ hours over several weekends into refining the shape and cleaning up my Iowa hull:

[img]http://i.imgur.com/Hszndw9.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/YnmeSq2.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/YdwBFG3.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/AibVFeV.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/KPpeZId.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/SuGVH9A.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/rCsGRRy.jpg[/img]

Chasing accuracy perfection is like chasing rainbows but it hasn't stopped me from trying. :big_grin: I may not yet be there but this is bumping up against the limit to what I can currently accomplish when it comes to accurizing the general lines of the Trumpeter kit.

I've been struggling to get the anchor hawsepipes right too, they are still a bit of a mess but I think I'm at least getting close:

[img]http://i.imgur.com/kWYk67d.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/vXLIcbV.jpg[/img]

Funny all these things that you don't even have to worry about on a smaller, less Trumpeter-ish kit but it still hasn't stopped being fun, despite being my biggest challenge yet in my modeling "career".

Anyway, I'm scared but next comes my attempt(s) to recreate the hull plating. I'll update y'all when I get something...

You'll be cursing me soon enough Hank... It took WAY too long and probably a dozen putty/sand/primer coats to get everything blended in enough to make the hull look it came out of the box that way. :faint:

Anyway, I'm gonna try the "tape & primer" method for the plates as well as using the Eduard PE gussets. Gotta admit, I'm scared... so scared that damn Bismarck climbed out of the stash and demanded to be worked on today instead. It's rough being me. :wink_1:

Jason,

As I mentioned over on CASF, you've outdone yourself!! I've just started filing on the lower bow area on my build; it's going to take a good bit of puttying/filing to get it down to size and then the final sanding.

I'll be interested in seeing how you do the hull plates, etc.

Hank

I like your style, ya mad bastard! :cool_1:

I gave in to peer pressure and added the third hull skeg:

[img]http://i.imgur.com/bB6EXEo.jpg[/img]

One things for sure... Iowa is a girl. :jest: I admit I was skeptical about it but I rechecked my resources and sure enough, it's there on the real thing... so I guess that means it belongs on my Iowa.

And here's a couple of final 'Wow, what a difference!" shots to help condemn my fellow big Iowa class modelers to a 50+ hour crazy sidetrack on their builds:

[img]http://i.imgur.com/r3NcHAc.jpg[/img]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/16cxCqV.jpg[/img]

Yea, it was worth it. :cool_1:

It's nearly time to turn her right side up for good. Next up are the hull plates/plate lines; I've done some research/experimenting and have a plan, though there's no guarantee it will work.

Stand by for more drama, terror, lewd naval engineering jokes and a fool being parted with his money all for the sake of a dream... to build the perfect big model of my favorite ship. :shipcaptain:

I've got that pic; it's hard to tell on the center hawsepipe because it's got that cover plate on it.

You're absolutely right on the chain ramps though; Trumpeter's version is completely wrong. I planned on reworking them too.

I suspect that will be par for the course... the deeper I dig, the more accuracy issues I find. Still, it will be fun to fix them!

[url=http://media.photobucket.com/user/Popey93/media/Llama-bringiton.gif.html][img]http://i1069.photobucket.com/albums/u468/Popey93/Llama-bringiton.gif[/img][/url]

Hank, I'd be grateful... I don't have the planbook. :thanks:

[quote="Channell"]I mean the other end of the hole, where emerges onto the deck under the 20mm platform...[/quote]

For whatever it's worth due to oblique angle, here is one:

[url]http://navsource.org/archives/01/061/016130b.jpg[/url]

It appears the deck opening for the center hawse hole is a long oval.


Note the anchor chain ramps on the deck opening for the anchor hawse holes seem to be a lot taller than trumpeter's depicted them, also, each of them is higher on the outboard side than on the inboard side.

Note the pulley wheels for the paravane chain.

Jason,

OK, I'll check that out and compare to the MISSOURI Plan Book - those drawings are quite accurate.

Hank

I mean the other end of the hole, where emerges onto the deck under the 20mm platform...

Jason,

Thanks for the info re. the hawse holes, etc.

As for your question - the center hawse hole IS an oval, see photo:
[attachment=0]BB62 Prow 1942 (Large).jpg[/attachment]
As you can see, the oval changes INSIDE to a more circular opening up to the deck above.

Hope this helps.

Hank

[quote="BB62vet"]Jason,

You've really done well on this - VERY impressive!!! :thumbs_up_1:

I'm esp. interested in your treatment of the 3 hawse pipe holes up forward - that will need attention on my build, as well.

Hank[/quote]

Thanks again Hank!

If it's not too late, you'd be smart to grind out the inside top aft corner of the hawsepipes before assembling it all; unless you are a dentist it's gets tricky to do afterwards. On the deck side of the hawsepipes, the chain ramps (not sure of the correct name for them) are too shallow and need deepening too.

After grinding I just packed the whole interior void around the hawsepipes with Squadron putty and carefully formed out the interior of the hawse with a wooden kabob stick before it dried, then cleaned it up with a needle file after.

The center hawse got the same basic treatment; I made the ring around the pipe with a solid piece of .020 styrene cut to the right outer rim shape and then glued over the hole. After drying, I drilled out the center of the styrene piece and ground/filed the inside to create the ring, then packed it with putty and poked the hole though +filing afer it all dried.

Also, not sure if I mentioned it yet but the kit prow is wrong; it's way too stubby and flattened. Luckily it's fairly easy to reshape it with putty and some judicious filing/sanding.

Here's a couple earlier in-progress pic to help illustrate:

[img]http://i.imgur.com/Fft8ilom.jpg?2[/img]

[img]http://i.imgur.com/Lwq8XUu.jpg[/img]

I could use some help on the deckside shape of the center hawsepipe; I haven't been able to find a decent picture of it and I suspect it isn't the oval shape I currently have...

[quote="JimVarnellABH2USN"]Jason,
If and or when I get this kit, I'll just send you the hull and you can fix it up for me, :heh: :heh: :heh: it really looks great, looking forward to more progress on this beast.[/quote]

You bet!

... but you'd better take out that second mortgage because I ain't cheap! :nod_1:

Jason,

You've really done well on this - VERY impressive!!! :thumbs_up_1:

I'm esp. interested in your treatment of the 3 hawse pipe holes up forward - that will need attention on my build, as well.

Hank

Jason,
If and or when I get this kit, I'll just send you the hull and you can fix it up for me, :heh: :heh: :heh: it really looks great, looking forward to more progress on this beast.