HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

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Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by Maarten Sch�nfeld » Fri Nov 13, 2026 10:21 am

My congratulations with your Victory! Apparently the victim suffered heavily from your battle with her, but it looks you have won over with extremely great realism!

Now on to your accomplice in this battle, the Redoutable, she didn't escape unscathed either...

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by marijn van gils » Fri Nov 13, 2026 9:59 am

Many thanks guys! :wave_1: :cool_2:

Thanks Evert-Jan, especially since you know what long-term projects are like... ;)

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by EJFoeth » Fri Nov 13, 2026 8:36 am

Congrats on finishing the first major model in your diorama after all these years of hard work :thumbs_up_1:

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by Rui Matos » Fri Nov 13, 2026 6:14 am

Hello Marijn

Thank you much for the update (I have seen some long shots taken at SMC, and noticed some progresses)!
Just leave one word, here:

E P I C :big_grin:

Cheers,
Rui

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by wefalck » Fri Nov 13, 2026 5:12 am

Just today, I was thinking that we haven't from them for while. But we all know, that we have to strike an adequate balance between life, work, and hobby ...

HMS VICTORY now looks nicely battered :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by Janssen » Fri Nov 13, 2026 5:02 am

Wow, unbelievable

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by marijn van gils » Fri Nov 13, 2026 4:49 am

So, Victory is completely ready now for the diorama! Let’s celebrate this with some photographs! :woo_hoo:
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And some details:
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And since the vanity of my thumb has no limits, of course it had to be included in the last shot: :big_grin:
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Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by marijn van gils » Fri Nov 13, 2026 4:48 am

Hello everyone,

Sorry for my long absence on this great forum! :sorry:


A while ago, I finished the rigging of the mainmast. But I still owe you the conclusion!

The last lines to be added were the main course sheets and tacks, the braces and the buntlines:
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At this point, I also added the fore braces:
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And finally, the fragile stunsail boom irons were added. These were made from thin brass wire and tubing.
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These were also added to the fore and mainmast lower yards. I was a bit lazy and only added one fragment of a broken stunsail boom into one of them. Let’s presume all the others were shot away by the time Victory reached the other line… :big_grin: But I promise Redoutable will have a full set of stunsail booms! ;)
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And the final item of rigging for Victory was the (part of the) spanker on its gaff. This is kept separate for now. I will glue it in place after the ship is attached into the seascape, and add a couple of lines to it at that time.
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And that concludes Victory’s rigging! :smallsmile:
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Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by JIM BAUMANN » Mon Sep 21, 2026 8:06 am

cheers Marjinn ==> ( please forgive --albeit brief--thread hijack...

@Wouter !
I am not sure about silk-span in 1/700-- I feel it may be obstreperous to flake...

Furled sails ( harbour stow )--in white glue works very well=--as it can be built on to create the hollows where the furling lines dig on
more to be found here; ( 1/700 Vladimir Monomakh )
https://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/s ... /index.htm

I used paper sails on 1/700 Bretagne--including the furled lower main course--(with white glue)
http://modelwarships.com/reviews/ships/ ... /index.htm

2 x example images

and also 1 x view of furled square sails on my Winston Churchill( albeit 1/350--but same technique in 1/700

Hope to help JIM B
( end of thread hi-jack )



Bretagne  sails.jpg
vlad monomakh  furled sails.jpg
winston churchull.jpg

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by marijn van gils » Mon Sep 21, 2026 3:10 am

Thanks guys! :smallsmile: :cool_1: :smallsmile:
wefalck wrote: Fri Sep 11, 2026 2:38 am What's your glove size, 15?
You're so sophisticated! I had to look up whether that's small or large... :big_grin:
GewoonWouter wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2026 11:32 am Well I just checked it...it was somewhere on page 11 and onwards...but today the photos did show up so maybe Flickr was in a lazy mood a while ago....Which is good news, so I can continue reading. Jolly good show :big_grin:
Thanks Wouter! Glad I don't need to go and replace something there...
pascalemod wrote: Thu Sep 10, 2026 5:59 am Ive been fascinated with the sail material! It came out beautifully. Do you think that this material can also be used for 1/700 scale sails OR they fabric will be too thick? I am in need of buildin some folded sails but I cannot for the life of me figure out a good material for it... Woudl this silk cloth paper work?
Sorry for my late reply!
I think it should probably work! I don't think it will be too thick. It may be hard to create smaller creases though. But whether that's a problem or not will depend on exactly how you want your sails to fold, and the look you're after.
Probably best not to glue on the reinforcing bands, but simply draw them on with pencil. That will make folding and cresing also easier.

But if you only want to do completely furled sails, Jim Bauman's technique with white glue may be easier.

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by wefalck » Fri Sep 11, 2026 2:38 am

What's your glove size, 15?

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by pascalemod » Thu Sep 10, 2026 5:59 am

Ive been fascinated with the sail material! It came out beautifully. Do you think that this material can also be used for 1/700 scale sails OR they fabric will be too thick? I am in need of buildin some folded sails but I cannot for the life of me figure out a good material for it... Woudl this silk cloth paper work?

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by Rui Matos » Thu Sep 03, 2026 7:51 am

Hi Marijn!

Master(ly done) and Commander :woo_hoo: :heh:

Such an amazing joy to watch (and learn a few tricks) the progresses!
Even the accident was "professionaly" sorted
Afterwards, I added more lines, like the topgallant shrouds, an extra piece of sail for more effect, and the flag (sorry Rui, this flag was already in place before your last comment! ;) ).
No need to excuse yourself, it is me who need to apologise for being a pest!

Super job!!!!!
Cheers,
Rui

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by GewoonWouter » Wed Sep 02, 2026 11:32 am

marijn van gils wrote: Wed Sep 02, 2026 3:04 am
GewoonWouter wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2026 9:14 am However, somewhere further in the thread the photos didn't show anymore...I was wondering if some got removed or if it was a hick-up of Flickr...
Oh, I have to check that! Thanks! Any idea around which pages they didn't show, and if they still don't show now?
Well I just checked it...it was somewhere on page 11 and onwards...but today the photos did show up so maybe Flickr was in a lazy mood a while ago....Which is good news, so I can continue reading. Jolly good show :big_grin:

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by Joelle » Wed Sep 02, 2026 7:35 am

It is only when I see your hand behind the model that I realize again just how tiny this *Victory* model is—which makes it all the more fascinating. 🤩

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by marijn van gils » Wed Sep 02, 2026 3:04 am

You're welcome Wouter! ;)
And thank you! :smallsmile: :smallsmile: :smallsmile:
GewoonWouter wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2026 9:14 am And in hindsight it's fair to say that it was a happy accident which even made it better.
Haha, I'm a big fan of Bob Ross! Well, at least of his attitude... ;)
GewoonWouter wrote: Tue Sep 01, 2026 9:14 am However, somewhere further in the thread the photos didn't show anymore...I was wondering if some got removed or if it was a hick-up of Flickr...
Oh, I have to check that! Thanks! Any idea around which pages they didn't show, and if they still don't show now?

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by GewoonWouter » Tue Sep 01, 2026 9:14 am

As Darth Vader would say: "Impressive" :big_grin:

While I was reading the update I was thinking to myself: I'm going to ask Marijn how much swearing was involved, but halfway I already got my answer. But I must say, great way of solving the small cock up. This kind of creativity really makes it stand out even more. And in hindsight it's fair to say that it was a happy accident which even made it better. So well done!

Btw, recently I started re-reading this great thread...It struck me that it's going on for already 8 years...It really felt like it was yesterday though when you started this piece of eyecandy. However, somewhere further in the thread the photos didn't show anymore...I was wondering if some got removed or if it was a hick-up of Flickr...

And a second Bij de Weg: I have to thank you because this got me in watching Master and Commander again, so many thanks skipper :big_grin: :thumbs_up_1:

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by marijn van gils » Tue Sep 01, 2026 8:47 am

Thanks Rui! :thumbs_up_1:


Now, I could install some of the rigging that leads from the topmast top all the way down to the channels: the topmast tye falls and the backstays:
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Port and starboard each have one topsail tye fall and three topmast backstays. On each side, one of the backstays was shot through and is hanging down:
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The deadeye and lanyard assemblies for the backstays were made as described here: https://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/v ... 5#p1080925

Starboard side, finally again with a matchstick!:
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The matchstick reminded me that maybe I should post an overview photo, with something to give a sense of scale (I haven’t done that in a while…):
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The topgallant mast has been shot through, but I wanted the top part of it to hang down from the mast, with (a part of) the royal yard and sail.
So, I constructed these as much as possible as a separate assembly. Of course this was test-fitted on the model constantly.
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Several lines were already attached, some of which were left straight and overly long.

The entire assembly was then glued in place on the model:
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Next, the attached lines were bent in place, cut to length, and glued if needed.
Afterwards, I added more lines, like the topgallant shrouds, an extra piece of sail for more effect, and the flag (sorry Rui, this flag was already in place before your last comment! ;) ).
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We touched on the fragility of copper wire rigging before. And here I had a good example!
When retracting my tweezers after gluing some other line (that’s always the most dangerous moment! Because the attention is fully on the new line and not on the ‘old’ ones around…), my tweezers hooked behind the starboard lift and kinked it badly.
This photo shows it after trying to push and prod it back into shape and position (always the first recourse):
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Mostly, that works. But not this time! Although it now already looks much better than the sharply kinked wire it first was, the pull of the tweezers had stretched the copper wire. It is now longer than it was before and can never return to look taut… (which is necessary for a lift!)

So, the only way to fix it would be to detach the line at one side, shorten it a tiny bit and re-glue. But that’s very delicate work, with lots of opportunity for more damage along the way…

Luckily, here I had another option. And one that’s more fun! ;)
I had to add 5 ‘broken’ topgallant shrouds, and they needed to go somewhere. So, I could have one hang over the lift:
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In my limited experience, undamaged rigging and sails are easier and less work. But once in a while, battle damage can be used to ones advantage too! :big_grin:

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by Rui Matos » Fri Aug 28, 2026 8:47 am

Hi again Marijn

Yes, they can be either in white (canvas) or natural (raw/hemp) colour, and are usualy of thicker fabric.
I never thought that you would paint in on the already placed flags ;) :D

And Jim... a bucket full of ££££!!!

Will it be displayed to the public view?
Or was bought by a very wealthy person and for his/her pleasure alone?


Cheers,
Rui

Re: HMS Victory and Le Redoutable at Trafalgar (1/300)

by marijn van gils » Fri Aug 28, 2026 7:02 am

Thank you very much everyone! :smallsmile: :cool_1: :smallsmile:

JIM BAUMANN wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2026 4:42 am>>> A Union Jack flown from HMS Spartiate at the Battle of Trafalgar, 21 October 1805. A yard- or shipboard-hand-stitched wool-bunting flag, comprised of 31 bunting panels with canvas sleeve and lanyard, on an archival muslin backing. 91⅓ x 138½ in (232 x 352 cm).

Sold for £1,068,500 on 1 July 2025 at Christie’s in London
This one!:
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Mmm, looks like my blue is quite too light/bright...
But on the other hand, we all like to have some colour in our models! ;)

Rui Matos wrote: Fri Aug 28, 2026 4:10 amYou could add a little detail often overlooked regarding flags: the hoist (band of cloth in the attaching side of the flag, which has the grommets to hoist the flag).
Thank you Rui! I was not aware that these were coloured differently (white/natural hemp?) from the rest of the flag. With this flag, it seems to be pretty narrow (in 1/300 it would be about 0,1 to 0,15 mm). It would be very difficult to paint it on the already attached flags now, but I can try to do it next time!


And for anyone considering the same approach for flags:
Paint bleed is not a problem at all, because the silkspan was already basecoated with several layers of acrylic paint.
Handpainting straight and neat lines, however, is always challenging. This makes more complicated patterns like a union jack rather time-consuming to paint (you have to do both sides!). But in the end, it is not a big problem if the lines are not perfect. When the flag is draped/shaped, small imperfection become much less visible or even invisible...

But I'm very interested in trying this next time:
wefalck wrote: Thu Aug 27, 2026 5:29 amAnother route I recently used was to print the flag onto thermo-transfer paper and then to iron it onto both sides of the paper chosen for the flag. In my case the pattern was mainly black and white, so I could use my own laser-printer. If you have a colour laser-printer, bob's your uncle, otherwise you have to go to a copy shop. It's the same procedure as used for customised t-shirts and coffee-mugs and such stuff.
The result should be sharper than handpainting, and it would be easier and probably faster to do, especially for complicated patterns. And it would still be possible to retouch this by hand if that would improve the appearance.
Thank you Eberhard!

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