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by **mifune** » Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:50 pm

Please continue. Admiral Scheer really got a full nosejob. lutzow on the other hand even retained her third bow anchor "tube" until the end. Maybe welded shut but it was there.

by **totally_random_man** » Wed Feb 16, 2022 4:06 pm

Fliger747 wrote:Hard to believe that they would pierce the main belt with scuttles. Perhaps this is a thin upper belt to prevent riddling by splinters?

Checking reference material - M.J.Whitley: German capital ships of WW2 and Koop-Schmolke: Pocket battleships of the Deutschland class - did nothing to clarify this issue. There was no data on the height of the belt in the respective ships and the detalis presented in the two books are somewhat inconsistent.

by **Fliger747** » Tue Feb 15, 2022 9:53 pm

Hard to believe that they would pierce the main belt with scuttles. Perhaps this is a thin upper belt to prevent riddling by splinters?

by **mister me** » Tue Feb 15, 2022 6:08 pm

Welcome back !

by **totally_random_man** » Tue Feb 15, 2022 10:29 am

after a brief pause Scheer is back again

the funnel is taking shape, I love the handrails but soon there will be no place left to handle the whole thing...

by **pascalemod** » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:48 am

totally_random_man wrote:Hello Pascalemod,

well I nearly missed the armour belt but Dan Banks fortunately directed my attention towards it.
The armour of Graf Spee is more or less well represented on the Trrumpeter kit:
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But on the Scheer it was higher reaching the top of the lower row of scuttles - strangely enogh those openings are actually piercing the upper part of the belt:
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So my plan is to sand off the original belt, replace it with plastic sheet and re-drill the scuttles, well it will be a long job to do...

Now I follow. It looks less pronounced though? But also, how would you manage to get the bevel edge so well?! I find that is the biggest challenge. Im a bit off put now building Scheer by this inaccuracy, but this is modeling, just a good challenge!

by **totally_random_man** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:27 am

Hello Pascalemod,

well I nearly missed the armour belt but Dan Banks fortunately directed my attention towards it.
The armour of Graf Spee is more or less well represented on the Trrumpeter kit:

But on the Scheer it was higher reaching the top of the lower row of scuttles - strangely enogh those openings are actually piercing the upper part of the belt:

So my plan is to sand off the original belt, replace it with plastic sheet and re-drill the scuttles, well it will be a long job to do...

by **pascalemod** » Fri Jul 19, 2019 2:35 pm

Fascinating project. I am going to be doing Admiral Scheer later but based on Scheer from Italeri in 1/720. While not as detailed, I had 2 of the pocket battleships upgraded in same scale from my childhood days, so I figured Ill take a stab at conversion as well. So I wanted to ask you what this discussion about armor belt is? It was different on Scheer than on other pocket battleships?

by **Dan Banks** » Thu Jun 06, 2019 3:55 pm

The armor belt is going to be a booger, it overlaps the lower row of scuttles, and you then have to re-establish the scuttles piercing the armor. Don�t know why they did that, didn�t do it on any other KM ships except maybe Sharnhorst. Really like your work on the bridge too. You mention using evergreen for the deck so I would assume you will be painting it rather than using wood stick on? Oh also did you know Veryfire makes a dedicated add on set for Graf Spee that has a lot of stuff useful on Scheer.

by **totally_random_man** » Thu Jun 06, 2019 1:45 am

Dan Banks wrote:Nice job on the bow. I am thinking of trying her in 1940 right after refit, just wondered how you are going to handle the different armor height on the side belt. That and the bow are probably the hardest part of this conversion. Also there is a 3D printed bridge and funnel from 3D parts.

Thanks Dan! You directed my attention to an overlooked issue... the armour belt

That part will follow when the forward superstructure is ready.

I checked the 3d parts but the bridge is pretty inaccurate, the scratchbuilt one is much closer to the photos and drawings.
Anyway their secondary directors nice, will use them.

by **Dan Banks** » Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:29 pm

Nice job on the bow. I am thinking of trying her in 1940 right after refit, just wondered how you are going to handle the different armor height on the side belt. That and the bow are probably the hardest part of this conversion. Also there is a 3D printed bridge and funnel from 3D parts.

by **totally_random_man** » Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:24 pm

Thanks Miguel !

Here are some new details of the superstructure, mostly PE for windows and doors. But the pipes on the sides had to be scratchbuilt.

Of course the window on the white door on the starboard side needs some correction...

The 37mm gun platform (arrow) was a funny part, because it has some anti-skid surface and no photoetch could be found... so scriber tools solved the problem. The peculiar shape didn't make it any easier.

by **Miguel** » Sat May 25, 2019 12:47 pm

This is looking so good ,my compliments Greg a fantastic build

by **zs180** » Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:16 pm

Delighted to see such great progress and a host of ingenious solutions during this most interesting build! Your subject being a very well-known vessel I just hope your work attracts the attention it deserves here (as opposed to your marvellous HMS Chiddingfold)!

by **Thom** » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:02 pm

Impressive looking conversion in progress. Very nice!

by **mick** » Sun Oct 07, 2018 1:00 pm

great work, will be watching

by **totally_random_man** » Sun Oct 07, 2018 10:26 am

The conning tower and its surroundings also gave a fair amount of work to do. The deck around fore two thirds of it is higher than the deck behind so I raised it (red arrow)

Accordingly the base part had to be tailored to this (black arrow) The windows of the armoured tower were too numerous too large and at a wrong height (red arrows) so magic sculp was used to fill them then I cut out the correct ones.

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I had to remove the base of the rangefinder and replace it with a scratchbuilt one (black arrow) as it was near the rear edge of the tower not at the middle as Trumpeter imagined it. The periscope bases were made from plastic discs and through all of these maneuvers there was the funny task of preserving the rivets (blue arrow)

by **totally_random_man** » Sun Oct 07, 2018 9:19 am

Thanks Aop & Dan!

Due to job and family commitments it's a slow progress but something can be shown now.
First I converted the base of the forward superstructure which was very different from Spee's (altough the kit part was inaccurate for that vessel too), then top of the turmmast was cut down:

Next step was to build a new bridge platform, a shelter with windows and then I installed the Lutzow-style tubular mast:

by **Dan K** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:43 am

Impressive work on the bow. It turned out very well.

by **Aop Aur** » Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:26 am

Very neat work modifying the atlantic bow!

Keep the progress coming!

Aop

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