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Re: 1/350 FFG-48 USS Vandegrift, Academy& Pontos

by Themongoose » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:13 pm

Thanks for the link silenoz. I�ll see if google translate gives me enough to interpret it.

For soldering - I seem to have the right approach but haven�t executed well. I am cutting the solder into bits. I wasn�t doing it very consistently though at first. My other problems with too much solder on the joint was holding it all together firmly and keeping the solder from flying away when the air flow from the torch hit it. I cleaned the PE first with apple cider vinegar, then a water rinse. I�m using a liquid solder and no flux core. I only have the high temp solder right now. Need to get some low temp. Anyway, I think it boils down to more practice and watching how others do it. Will definitely check out your how-to! Thanks for the advice :cool_2:

Re: 1/350 FFG-48 USS Vandegrift, Academy& Pontos

by Silenoz » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:39 am

looking very good.

With regards to the soldering, do you clean the "corrosion" from the PE, at least at the mating/joining surfaces (fine sandpaper, glassfibre pen, etc...), that helps a lot for fine soldering. Also do you use some kind of flux? It helps making the solder run smoother. I see from the picture you use a lot of solder, I tend to squeeze a bit flat, then cut it into tiny bits and use these to solder.

I do have a how to in dutch, with some pics that speak for themselves (I hope, but when you have more questions, please ask)

https://www.modelbrouwers.nl/media/docs ... chniek.pdf

I can try to translate in the future.

Re: 1/350 FFG-48 USS Vandegrift, Academy& Pontos

by Themongoose » Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:26 pm

Many thanks gentlemen! Shouldn�t be too long before I start the next one. Off to check the poll results and see what the line on my next build is...

Re: 1/350 FFG-48 USS Vandegrift, Academy& Pontos

by Strategos Augustus » Thu Sep 26, 2019 1:51 pm

Themongoose wrote:FINISHED! Can't tell you how ecstatic I am over this one because I think the image I was trying to capture is really representative of the cruise. Here is the USS Vandegrift as fitted out in 1995. I've weathered her for an active cruise doing missile system tests as shown here (Wikimedia Commons):

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And my representation:

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Once I had the action up front I just couldn't set the helo on the deck so I have big brother taking off, the doors closing for his berth and the other opening to bring out her other brother.

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And here are some other ones to show some details and how she fitted out.

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I plugged the original hole for the rudder and offset it like the real thing. The prop is aluminum color on the drydock photos I have so recreated that look here.

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Testors clear canopy/window glue used across the board.

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6 weeks start to finish. I used MCW lacquer paints for everything; light ghost grey on verticals and a lightened mix with 10% white for center panels and oil canning down the sides(washed out in the latest photos though but it is there), and dark ghost grey for the horizontals with a 10% black mix for tonal variation. Primer is Citadel Chaos Black for the hull and MCW grey for the PE and plastic. Only 1 piece of Pontos PE was lost during the build and I was able to fold up a new piece out of scrap. The Desron on each side of the superstructure wasn't provided so I hand painted them. I also tried the Flexy 5k CA for handrails and some of the parts that stick out, like the flag mast, to see how it works. It takes longer to dry, more like thick CA in time. Acts like a medium CA. Is easy to remove and redo. More ships to come as I am way better at this than planes. Definitely going to continue using PE sets where I can. I'll be back for more after I build the bomber my daughter got me for my birthday!

It is a great result. I rather like the dynamism, really seems to come alive.

Looking forward to your next project.

Re: 1/350 FFG-48 USS Vandegrift, Academy& Pontos

by Nino » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:28 pm

Ah, Pocket Battleships...I am always interested in plastic models of Germany's Sheer, Lutzow (ex-Deutschland), and Graf Spee. Plenty of Graf Spee's by companies like Testors/Italeri (1/720), Fujimi (1/700), and Trumpeter (1/700). Trumpeter has the newest molds and a Spanish Civil War version as well as the 1939 version.. We're not so lucky in finding a Sheer and Lutzow other than old 1/700 kits by Italeri and Fujimi. But wait, Flyhawk has intimated they will also release a "pocket battleship" in 1/700 too. That Flyhawk quality and detail is now legendary as well as the high price.

My suggestion in 1/700 would be for the Trumpeter Graf Spee kit (It's full Hull :thumbs_up_1: ), unless you want to await a possible Flyhawk release. (See my post on *Inj. molded plastic* Upcoming Ship Kit Releases , page 146)

Where do you find "Pocket Battleships" in something larger than 1/700? Heller (and Lee copies), made some good, if rather plain, 1/400 Graf Spee, Lutzow, and Sheer models. Nichimo made a nice 1/500 Graf Spee too but all of these kits are had to find. If you want to have a fun 'build' detailing these kits, buy one and get 50+ bucks worth of AM stuff.

What's left is Academy and Trumpeter in 1/350.
If you are going large, go Trumpeter for 1/350 Graf Spee.
As an "aside"...In comparing Trumpeter 1/350 kits: I like Academy's Indianapolis over Trumpeter's, Trumpeter's Dreadnought over Zvezda and Trumpeter's Graf Spee over Academy.


As far as an Iowa class goes, making a Missouri/New Jersey etc., is a right of passage. Early in life every ship modeler makes at least one, even if only the Revell 1/535 classic or a crummy 1/900 Lindberg, or "Gawd Forbid", the old Pyro Missouri on Wheels.

All the major OEMs make an Iowa class these days. You have to build at least one.

Toughest part, picking the time frame: WW2 or Cold War. For 1/700 WW2 I like Tamiya for their Iowa kit #31616 as it has the original bridge. You can always add a lower hull from Academy/Meng/Trumpter/Pit Road Iowa class models- and sand till it fits. I find Meng is a fun snap-together-build if you have some kids involved. I have not seen the Academy offering. Maybe Veryfire will release a 1/700 kit of their 1/350 Missouri. That would be nice.
Trumpeter(Pit Road mold) 1/700 is the choice if you want 1984-1991 fit. The Trumpeter BB's look real good.

For that larger 1/350 Iowa class there are a few choices: Tamiya, Revell, Blue Ridge/VeryFire. The VeryFire Missouri seems like only a modest improvement over the old Tamiya kit according to some reviews. Watch out for Trumpeter's very old 1/350 kit of the Missouri. It is old. Academy also made a 1/400 scale kit of Missouri. Several other lesser-known plastic model makers also did some Iowa's in various scales like 1/400 and 1/600. EDIT: I was advised that Joy Yards BB63 will be the kit to beat. Supposedly highly detailed and has not made the same errors and missing detail that VeryFire did.

Couldn't help the long reply. It's Lunch time and somehow Burgers and Posting work well together.

Nino

That Pyro Missouri was the fastest "rug-sailing" ship in my fleet.
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Re: 1/350 FFG-48 USS Vandegrift, Academy& Pontos

by Themongoose » Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:40 am

"(Land the Helo before someone complains...)"

LMAO yes I've heard about that twice on another forum already! I like the action but I do admit it's not that realistic. Maybe I'll cave a little and leave it in the air but suspend it from the base instead so it's not over the FFG during weapons firing. Definitely a little carried away on my part in making everything in action :big_grin:

I've got a plane to do for my daughter and then back to a ship I think. I can't decide between a German Pocket Battleship and an Iowa Class BB. If you guys have any opinions throw them my way.

Re: 1/350 FFG-48 USS Vandegrift, Academy& Pontos

by Nino » Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:24 pm

I enjoyed your FFG-48 model-building tremendously. Great PE work as has been mentioned so many times.
Thanks for posting here. Your Photo's turned out really well too.

I will keep an eye out for your next endeavor

Nino

(Land the Helo before someone complains...)

Re: 1/350 FFG-48 USS Vandegrift, Academy& Pontos

by Timothyo » Sat Sep 21, 2019 9:16 pm

That turned out really nice! I like it! Still amazed with your speed..... in comparison, I feel very sloth-like!

Regards,
Timothy

Re: 1/350 FFG-48 USS Vandegrift, Academy& Pontos

by Themongoose » Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:45 pm

FINISHED! Can't tell you how ecstatic I am over this one because I think the image I was trying to capture is really representative of the cruise. Here is the USS Vandegrift as fitted out in 1995. I've weathered her for an active cruise doing missile system tests as shown here (Wikimedia Commons):

Image

And my representation:

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Once I had the action up front I just couldn't set the helo on the deck so I have big brother taking off, the doors closing for his berth and the other opening to bring out her other brother.

Image

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And here are some other ones to show some details and how she fitted out.

Image

Image

I plugged the original hole for the rudder and offset it like the real thing. The prop is aluminum color on the drydock photos I have so recreated that look here.

Image

Testors clear canopy/window glue used across the board.

Image

Image

Image



6 weeks start to finish. I used MCW lacquer paints for everything; light ghost grey on verticals and a lightened mix with 10% white for center panels and oil canning down the sides(washed out in the latest photos though but it is there), and dark ghost grey for the horizontals with a 10% black mix for tonal variation. Primer is Citadel Chaos Black for the hull and MCW grey for the PE and plastic. Only 1 piece of Pontos PE was lost during the build and I was able to fold up a new piece out of scrap. The Desron on each side of the superstructure wasn't provided so I hand painted them. I also tried the Flexy 5k CA for handrails and some of the parts that stick out, like the flag mast, to see how it works. It takes longer to dry, more like thick CA in time. Acts like a medium CA. Is easy to remove and redo. More ships to come as I am way better at this than planes. Definitely going to continue using PE sets where I can. I'll be back for more after I build the bomber my daughter got me for my birthday!

Re: 1/350 FFG-48 USS Vandegrift, Academy& Pontos

by Kubilay » Thu Sep 19, 2019 2:08 pm

Handsome ship and very nice work. :thumbs_up_1:

Re: 1/350 FFG-48 USS Vandegrift, Academy& Pontos

by Themongoose » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:05 am

coming down the home stretch. Will definitely finish this week. I have some details to pick out with a wash and a flat coat to put on after that. She�s looking good adorned for the Homecoming with rigging, handrails, and her two big brothers on the helo pad to protect her honor...

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And here�s today�s favorite screw up. Not sure where my prop went, lost in transportation haha, but the local club meet is today so i have to have something. I sketched out a prop blade and cut 5 out of cardstock. Glued them to a plastic sprue with a rounded end and it appears to do the part if you look at it from a distance definitely found myself behind the [8ball]

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Re: 1/350 FFG-48 USS Vandegrift, Academy& Pontos

by Themongoose » Sat Sep 14, 2019 11:59 pm

Massive day on my Fast Frigate yesterday. Paint, all except the final dell coat, decals, and all the small stuff finished up. Oh and i made a quick base to hold it while I do railings.

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Lets take a closer look from bow to stern...

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Today i started on the rails. Lots to do but I should be done before the club meeting tomorrow at 1pm. The paint will definitely by wet lol. Will post a pick if i have time...mom wanted some painting done and some other mr fix-it work so ill just have to find balance with our hobby!

Re: 1/350 FFG-48 USS Vandegrift, Academy& Pontos

by Themongoose » Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:12 pm

Thanks Timothy! Feels like it�s really coming together. This morning I�m painting everything that goes on the deck. Did some weathering under the hull. Then the afternoon should come about to decals and railings. Close to done!
A little far off for a pic but wanted to show all the little Pontos boxes and parts.
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Here�s some clear yellow under beige brown for weathering. I think the matt clear will blend this all nicely...here�s hoping:-)
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Re: 1/350 FFG-48 USS Vandegrift, Academy& Pontos

by Timothyo » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:15 pm

That mast looks great! The whole project is coming together very well!

It is really nice you can take a day off to work on her- I do not think my supervisor would go for that!

Re: 1/350 FFG-48 USS Vandegrift, Academy& Pontos

by Themongoose » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:16 pm

ohh I feel like I�ve been keel-hauled. I knew this main mast would take some time and the wife wants us to see the play at the high school tomorrow. Jeeez, you�d think I had been locked in the work room for a week lol So I decided to take 1/2 day off work today to make up the time. Good thing i dId. Started on this at 1 and finished at 10:30. Had a dinner break in there and took the dog out but for the most part this thing was a killer.

Took me 3 times to get the legs level...best use of a tool here, I just cut the extra off the top of any post that was too long.

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If you could look at the wind vanes close up you�d see 1 was pieces all glued together bwuhahaha, but you can�t so you�ll have to believe me when i say all the parts are there.

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in total it took 4 hours to do the posts and latice. The rest of the time was all the little details. I�m super happy with it. Cross your fingers that no parts fly off when i use the air brush lol

Re: 1/350 FFG-48 USS Vandegrift, Academy& Pontos

by Themongoose » Sun Sep 08, 2019 5:37 pm

Building away the day! I've got the major elements of the paint done. Tried out some oil caning on the side of the helicopter bay. I used dark ghost grey to preshade it and am pretty happy with how it turned out. Now starting to build up the masts and all the boxes that go on the deck.

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Re: 1/350 FFG-48 USS Vandegrift, Academy& Pontos

by Themongoose » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:30 pm

Back to the aft superstructure tonight[8-)] no parts have been lost on this mission so far.

The only thing I cannot figure out yet is if there will be a short ladder to go on the left side. Pontos shows the stock molded ladder remaining here. Only found 2 short ones on the frets so this may stay as is or maybe i have something from the 1/700 destroyer i did that would work. Hmmmm?

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Heres a shot of my 2nd, maybe 3rd attempt, at soldering. I managed to get the front 2 edges soldered together. No luck closing the gap on the bottom edges tho. No matter what i did the solder just balled up. I don�t think i was getting the edges to touch and so it would wick along them. Anyone else with soldering experience who could add a few best practices for me?

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Re: 1/350 FFG-48 USS Vandegrift, Academy& Pontos

by Themongoose » Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:37 pm

Well the paint came out smooth but I feel like I covered up too much of my marbling coat. There�s still some shadowing behind the red and maybe it will show up a little better after the flat coat. If nothing else I�ll weather it some when i get ready to do the rust and algae.
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I painted up the sonar according to my dry dock pic
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And I ended up doing more To the shaft and prop than I thought i would. Academy had a bulbous piece where the shaft entered the hull that doesn�t exist, the supports were rectangles so i tapered the edges, and i was able to use a Dremel cylindrical stone in my drill press to thin out the prop blades.
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Re: 1/350 FFG-48 USS Vandegrift, Academy& Pontos

by Themongoose » Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:37 pm

Got those vanes straightened out and now onto some paint :woo_hoo:
Here�s the helicopter bay complete with oil stains and a grimy floor.
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Worked heavily on the hull. Citadel�s chaos black primer followed by some light and dark ghost grey mottling, then oversprayed the boot line with grimy black. Think you can see the shadowing affect in some of the pics.
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Now for some dry time and then tomorrow apply my special blend of hull red :shipcaptain:

Re: 1/350 FFG-48 USS Vandegrift, Academy& Pontos

by Themongoose » Thu Aug 22, 2019 5:32 am

Made myself a jig to improve how these look. Each vane can now be straightened out and then a rail put on the end to hold them tight.
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