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Re: 1/700 MOGADOR from IHP

by Mike@IHP » Mon Jun 13, 2022 9:07 am

[quote="Pieter"]Ahem. I' m still building them and so is Ray Bean. It's just that I am not as fast as Nick.
I'm sorry to see that you are leaving the ship model market but I do understand the decision.
[quote="Mike@IHP"]


Not leaving it entirely, just wouldn't make any new kits after the CVA-01. I have an investment in the tooling for our existing kits. We'll make runs of existing kits as needed, but I don't see the need for many more of them either, so we can focus on some other projects I have in mind.

I have no idea how we'd sell the kits through anyone other than the distributors we have. And I've been learning of 'agreements' between the big domestic online vendors that are carving up the market between them. That means no competition and fewer products stocked, and one of them can try to sell our Colossus kits for near $100 on eBay because they can. That's a deliberate attempt to kill our product range as I see it. I was wondering why one of them wouldn't even return my inquiries. And this is just the big, well-known domestic vendors. International vendors are just as biased against stocking IHP kits. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about and it started much earlier than that.

But I'd walk away from ships entirely if I could. Even personally, I'm just not interested in buying or building ship kits anymore. The past 30 years of dealing with the ship business as a whole has left a bad taste in my mouth.

Mike Bartel
IHP
http://ihphobby.tripod.com

Re: 1/700 MOGADOR from IHP

by Pieter » Sun Jun 12, 2022 4:06 pm

Ahem. I' m still building them and so is Ray Bean. It's just that I am not as fast as Nick.
I'm sorry to see that you are leaving the ship model market but I do understand the decision.
Mike@IHP wrote:

And as far as I can tell, only Nick Shipp is actually building the Colossus kits.

A few of you folks have been great, but all I have ever gotten from the rest of the hobby and the business over 30 years has been rejection, indifference and grief. I'm sick of being treated like s**t and like I don't exist and I'm seriously thinking it's time to stop. Maybe focus more on trains now.

Mike Bartel
IHP
http://ihphobby.tripod.com

Re: 1/700 MOGADOR from IHP

by Mike@IHP » Tue May 24, 2022 7:18 pm

Thanks for your support, guys. I wish we had more like you!

CVA-01 has not as many preorders as I would have liked but enough that I think we can make a onetime run of kits. I'm hoping we can start tooling it late this year or early next year.

First, we need to move the remaining inventory of Colossus kits before we can start CVA-01 work because we will need the room for the latter run. It's a much bigger ship and the production run will take up that much more space in the packing room and in the warehouse.

We are no longer planning any other new 1/700 ship kits after the CVA-01 so it is unlikely now that the Mogador or anything else will be made. There is no point in making new kits if you can't get them out to people that want them. It will be enough of a problem doing this for existing tooling, which we will continue to produce kits from as demand warrants. We do have a couple of distributors and we will rely on their reorders to plan future re-runs of Colossus kits.

CVA-01 will be a onetime run and will only be available direct from IHP to keep the price low. No dealers, so if you're outside the USA, be prepared for whatever your usual import fees and hassles might be. At least you'll be able to get the kit and it will be a unique one.

Mike Bartel
IHP
http://ihphobby.tripod.com

Re: 1/700 MOGADOR from IHP

by Rob » Mon May 23, 2022 3:38 pm

Mike - I've built a lot of your resin kits over the years and have part-built your Colossus kit. I really like your kits. Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

Re: 1/700 MOGADOR from IHP

by bgire » Mon May 23, 2022 12:48 pm

Hello Mike,
Last year I read on your FB page the future of your CV-01 kit was depending on the capital acquired from the Colossus family sales.
Can you tell us what is the current status and perspectives of this neverwere kit? Did the crowdfunding reach a correct level?

_Bruno

Re: 1/700 MOGADOR from IHP

by maxim » Mon May 23, 2022 12:06 pm

Here two models built using IHP Colossus class kits not built by Nick:

Glory by Thomas:
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https://www.modellmarine.de/index.php/m ... ger-teil-3

I hope that Mogador and Volta will be released. The pictures looked really promising!


Colossus by Eberhard:
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colossus.jpg

Re: 1/700 MOGADOR from IHP

by Chargerman » Sun May 22, 2022 12:00 pm

Mike I can tell you I have built just about all your ships from the first resin kit to your entire list of carriers which I am working on now.

Re: 1/700 MOGADOR from IHP

by DaveW. » Sun May 22, 2022 7:54 am

That's so sad to hear Mike, but good luck to you in whatever you decide to do.

Please know that you're leaving behind you a fantastic legacy, with the Colossus range of kits; they're absolutely terrific and I'm such a big fan.

I think you deserved far better than the hand you've been dealt.

DaveW

Re: 1/700 MOGADOR from IHP

by Mike@IHP » Sat May 21, 2022 2:06 pm

DaveW. wrote:Don't get ahead of us! We're probably going to stop making new ships altogether after the CVA-01 anyway.

Mike Bartel

Just a gentle 'leg pull' Mike as, for my money, you're doing a grand job.

The Marine Navale cruisers of the inter-war years are a particular love of mine so, when you announced the Mogador intention, the eternal yearning just bubbled over. :sorry:

I suppose I'll just have to seek further solace with my books by Jean Guiglini, Albert Moreau, Jean Moulin, Jean Lassaque and Patrick Maurand (all fantastic authors) on this fascinating range of vessels.

PS I daren't ask if you'd ever consider producing the Dunkerque :huh:

DaveW[/quote]

I know, I'm not mad at you, but I'm tired of this business. I still like making kits but I'm sick and tired of not being able to sell them worldwide through distributors, like the Flyhawks, Revells and Tamiyas can. And dealers have mostly been unreliable. I thought it would be different with a mass-produced kit like the Colossus, but nothing has changed.

eBay is not an option because they don't move fast enough to get our investment back enough to turn it over and re-invest in new products. And the customers outside the USA (where most of the market is now; it's dead in the USA) have to pay so much extra to get it shipped and then the customs-import fees they have to pay. It puts them off. You need distributors to sell within their countries that have already dealt with all of that hassle. That's why the bigger brands do it that way. And we can't get distribution in the EU. The ones we talk to keep blowing us off.

I got someone from Canada on our FB page telling me our kits are expensive and hard to get there. So why aren't Flyhawk, Trumpeter etc. kits hard to get there or anywhere? Having a distributor that sells to shops in Canada has helped, but I've heard that too much over the years. As if I can do anything about it, or as if I haven't tried. No one wants to distribute IHP kits. And the independent, one-man dealers that purport to be ship modeling suppliers REALLY SUCK at being that. They prioritize Flyhawk, Combrig and other brands. It's hard to tell people that vendor is a source for kits in their country and then they still come to you saying they don't have anything in stock. And it's been like that forever.

And as far as I can tell, only Nick Shipp is actually building the Colossus kits.

A few of you folks have been great, but all I have ever gotten from the rest of the hobby and the business over 30 years has been rejection, indifference and grief. I'm sick of being treated like s**t and like I don't exist and I'm seriously thinking it's time to stop. Maybe focus more on trains now.

Mike Bartel
IHP
http://ihphobby.tripod.com

Re: 1/700 MOGADOR from IHP

by Chargerman » Sat May 21, 2022 7:28 am

Mike your kits are great. You should keep producing the kits, sell direct and worldwide on Ebay to get them out there. Should not let yourself give up now.

Re: 1/700 MOGADOR from IHP

by DaveW. » Sat May 21, 2022 6:44 am

Don't get ahead of us! We're probably going to stop making new ships altogether after the CVA-01 anyway.

Mike Bartel[/quote]


Just a gentle 'leg pull' Mike as, for my money, you're doing a grand job.

The Marine Navale cruisers of the inter-war years are a particular love of mine so, when you announced the Mogador intention, the eternal yearning just bubbled over. :sorry:

I suppose I'll just have to seek further solace with my books by Jean Guiglini, Albert Moreau, Jean Moulin, Jean Lassaque and Patrick Maurand (all fantastic authors) on this fascinating range of vessels.

PS I daren't ask if you'd ever consider producing the Dunkerque :huh:

DaveW

Re: 1/700 MOGADOR from IHP

by Gcj » Sat May 21, 2022 3:44 am

Mike@IHP wrote: Don't get ahead of us! We're probably going to stop making new ships altogether after the CVA-01 anyway.

Mike Bartel
That would be a shame, but its your business and only you know if the figures and hassles make it worth it.
Was really looking forward to Mogador though - would even have ordered direct from the States and taken the shiping and customs duty hit. But generally the massive rise in shipping costs (especially from the States) and new customs rules must be a real pain for a lot of smaller companies (and potential customers).

Re: 1/700 MOGADOR from IHP

by Mike@IHP » Fri May 20, 2022 3:26 pm

DaveW. wrote:
Captain Morgan wrote:I know it would be expensive but a 1/700 La Galissonni�re would be nice.
Absolutely :thumbs_up_1:

All the French cruisers of the inter war years were beautiful, elegant vessels and any one/all of them would be wonderful in 1/700, Emile Bertin being my own personal favourite.

Come on IHP you know it makes sense :please: :please: :please:

DaveW
Don't get ahead of us! We're probably going to stop making new ships altogether after the CVA-01 anyway.

Mike Bartel

Re: 1/700 MOGADOR from IHP

by DaveW. » Tue May 17, 2022 10:28 am

Captain Morgan wrote:I know it would be expensive but a 1/700 La Galissonni�re would be nice.
Absolutely :thumbs_up_1:

All the French cruisers of the inter war years were beautiful, elegant vessels and any one/all of them would be wonderful in 1/700, Emile Bertin being my own personal favourite.

Come on IHP you know it makes sense :please: :please: :please:

DaveW

Re: 1/700 MOGADOR from IHP

by Captain Morgan » Fri Mar 11, 2022 9:48 am

I know it would be expensive but a 1/700 La Galissonni�re would be nice.

Re: 1/700 MOGADOR from IHP

by MatthewB » Sun Feb 20, 2022 2:39 am

Yay!

I can FINALLY start looking at doing some of the Atlantic Navies of Early-WWII.

The lack of decent French Navy ships has kept me from doing so.

I have a couple of Royal Navy and Regia Marina Early-WWII ships, but the lack of many French ships has been a thorn.

MB

Re: 1/700 MOGADOR from IHP

by PHILIPPE » Thu Dec 02, 2021 2:27 pm

Any hope you could issue them at 1/350 ? Destroyers at 1/350 are no big kits and would be more detailed ...

Re: 1/700 MOGADOR from IHP

by maxim » Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:06 am

Great news!

:woo_hoo:

Re: 1/700 MOGADOR from IHP

by Mike@IHP » Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:56 am

Gcj wrote:Wow, didnt see that coming but YES! Thats one sale at least.
Hopefully it will sell really well and tempt you do do other French destroyers of the 30s
:woo_hoo:
Maybe not just destroyers......come on, Vive la France, people! :smallsmile:

Mike Bartel
IHP
http://ihphobby.tripod.com

Re: 1/700 MOGADOR from IHP

by Mike@IHP » Sat Nov 27, 2021 11:52 am

Kikka wrote:great news ! will a full hull version be released ?
No, we only make waterline kits in 1/700.

Mike Bartel
IHP
http://ihphobby.tripod.com

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