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Topic review - Calling all USS Yorktown CV-5 fans
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all USS Yorktown CV-5 fans  Reply with quote
^ An excellent resource for any Yorktown build.

It has all the photos from Pictorial #9 (Yorktown class), only larger and more detailed, as well as many more pictures not included previously.
Post Posted: Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:27 am
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I published a book on CV-5 a few years ago in my Warship Pictorial Series.

My website address : http://www.classicwarships.com

Here is a link to a review on this website.
http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/bo ... rkyCV5.htm

Steve Wiper


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Post Posted: Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:49 pm
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Yorktown was painted in MS-12 before navy blue was substituted for the sea blue. Early photos suggest she had the standard colors of sea blue up to the hangar level, ocean gray from there up to the top of the stack, and haze gray from that point up. However most, if not all, photos of her taken in the Pacific suggest that the haze gray had been covered by ocean gray. So in 1942, she would have been sea blue (5-S) up to the hangar deck and ocean gray (5-O) above that line.
Post Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:52 pm
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Have a look here: https://www.shipcamouflage.com/usn_cv.htm
Post Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:08 pm
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Good Morning
Does anyone around here know the colors of the hull of A.C. USS Yorktown CV-5 1942?
Thanks
Post Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:34 am
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Thank you all for your help....and pictures...
There are still a lot of questions... but I'm sure I'll find the answers with your help.

l'm still awaiting for extra stuff... :-)
Post Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 5:15 pm
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Thanks Dick! That is a huge help. That decking is definitely a different color than the painted metal parts on the flight deck so the color may not be that far off.
Post Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 4:45 pm
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The photo is definitely post Eastern Solomons, since some of these 20MM were added at Pearl just before Santa Cruz. The AA fit was essentially unchanged until her big refit, so Oct '42 to July '43. The photo appears to be yellowed and otherwise color shifted, so it would be interesting to know what the original colors actually were.
Post Posted: Wed Dec 23, 2020 2:25 pm
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Thanks Dick. What year would this be then?
Post Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:31 pm
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Jeff Sharp wrote:
Ok Yorktown fans! Get out your linoleum brown paint. She ( not positive if it is her or not) is yet another US warship that had this color on her decks even after the war started. Can anyone positively identify this shot as CV-5?
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This is Enterprise. It is definitely port quarter. Yorktown herself never had that many 20MM in a single row, and neither did Hornet. Enterprise had hers broken into groups with 5 in a single block on the port quarter, a group of 2 just forward of it (with an outrigger between) and a group of 6 further forward. Post refit, there were only 2 in the group immediately forward of the hangar level quad 40MM with an obvious space between them and the block of 4 further forward, so post refit is eliminated. The individual rounded tubs for each gun rule out the Essex class.
Post Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 2:51 pm
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Check out this photo of CV-6 ("released April 1943"): https://www.history.navy.mil/content/hi ... 64191.html

The amount of 20mm guns (just at a quick glance) seems to match those in the unknown photo above. In one of the other carrier threads, Rick Davis points out that the guns in the photo don't have Mark 14 gunsights OR the usual iron sights -- it makes me also wonder (like Rick) if the sights were removed for a publicity photo and this is indeed ENTERPRISE in 1944 or 1945. I was under the impression the Mark 14 gunsight required add'l equipment which was mounted in an extension below the gun shield -- if the sights themselves were removed, would this complicated extension also be removed? As I understand it, the sight itself could be easily removed for maintenance, but the supporting frame for the sight would remain on the mount. This support is not present in the photos either.

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Post Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 1:53 pm
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Here are two photos worth considering:
Top picture, courtesy Navsource, is HORNET at Santa Cruz just prior to her sinking. This is the most small caliber AA with which she was fitted. Count the 20MM tubs on Port side.

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Next picture, also courtesy Navsource, is ENTERPRISE, in 1944 (according to caption in Navsource) and in Dazzle. Count the 20MM tubs on the Port side. At some point a number of the single 20MM mounts were upgunned to twins. Pretty sure this photo represents the same time frame as the color close up up the thread.

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Post Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 11:49 am
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I don't believe that's CV-5 with all of those 20mm mounts, as others have said. Also, I don't see any brown linoleum in that photo; it's overall tinged brown/sepia due to age, sure, but that's all I believe we're seeing.
Post Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:46 am
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Is it possible that this is actually CV-10 then?
Post Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:59 am
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I don't agree that this is ENTERPRISE in 1944 -- the Puget Sound refit photos clearly show the Mark 14 gunsight on the Oerlikons on the starboard side mounts abeam the island (as well as all other visible installations, though the portside flight deck mounts are not included in the photograph series I have):

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Perhaps ENTERPRISE before the big refit?
Post Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:49 pm
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I'd say ENTERPRISE (maybe in 1944?) or maybe HORNET after Midway. YORKTOWN did not have that many 20MM along the port catwalks up to and including when she sank. Additional 20MM were added after ENT and HNT returned from Midway, but this shot looks to have too many 20MM for HORNET before she was lost. So I'd say ENTERPRISE 1944.
Post Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:41 pm
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Ok Yorktown fans! Get out your linoleum brown paint. She ( not positive if it is her or not) is yet another US warship that had this color on her decks even after the war started. Can anyone positively identify this shot as CV-5?
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Post Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:50 pm
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I agree with Devin and that this is a sure bet this is the Enterprise early '42. These dashes with the numbers are consistent with the Enterprises's deck markings of the period. Although we now know the Yorktown had dash markings, these are not consistent with the few photos we have of them.
Post Posted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:04 pm
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DavidP wrote:
did the Yorktown class have aircraft outriggers as shown in that link?


They did indeed. Check out the Booklet of General Plans for CV-5. They show 10 of them in the overhead view.
Post Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 4:38 pm
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did the Yorktown class have aircraft outriggers as shown in that link?
Post Posted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:51 pm

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