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Topic review - Calling all USS Hornet CV-8 fans
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all USS Hornet CV-8 fans  Reply with quote
I still think they are floater nets because of the stripes, the lengths & location in relation to the life rafts further along the hull.
Post Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:16 pm
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David -
Yes, they are located pretty high at first glance. But in the photo you posted one can see the black fueling hose that loops along the side of the ship, hanging from strongbacks, hooks or eyes, that attach to the underside of the flight deck. The forwardmost end of this hose (or one of the hoses if there are two) comes up and over the platform just below the objects under discussion here. The two platforms visible aft of that point are, I believe, the platforms from which the RAS is conducted, not on the main deck. I recall reading that somewhere. In the following picture, a framework with three vertical posts (but without any horizontal walkway) is attached to the underside of the flight deck and visible right under where the objects being discussed are mounted in your picture, so handling the objects which I believe to be hose segments would be fairly simple.
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I have gone back over the MD Silver plans and there are several plans that show these platforms, but their function is never named. Each platform has a vertical ladder from it to the main deck attached to the bulkhead from which the platform is cantilevered.
And to be honest, I cannot explain why the object(s) are not black, or why they seem to have stripes every foot or so. Those could be markings, or joints, or separations consistent with floater nets. If they are the latter, why are they only located there? Did the USN have them that early in the war? And why are they not in the traditional mesh baskets? One other explanation is that they are connected together and used as an oil spill containment boom. And located close to the refueling station where the accidental release of oil in-port is most likely. I don't think the USN was all that worried about those issues in those days, but I offer that for grins.
Post Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:37 pm
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kinda high aren't they? would have thought they be at hanger deck level not flight deck level.
Post Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:45 pm
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MartinJQuinn wrote:
Are the circled items floater nets?
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Martin -
Those are refueling hose segments. They don't show up anywhere else on the ship that I've seen. Just that one location, and near the two small platforms used for refueling just forward of the where the boat crane mechanism was housed (and removed after commissioning). Don't see the hoses on YKTN or ENT, though that's not definitive of anything.
See Doyle's USS HORNET (CV-8) book, page 55 or Wiper's YORKTOWN Class carriers Page 53 for better copies of that photo.
Post Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2020 9:27 pm
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no problem.
Post Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:31 pm
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Thanks. I've got different views of them, just trying to confirm that's what they are. I think that's what they are, but I wanted to be sure.
Post Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:23 pm
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yes. http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020831c.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/08.htm
Post Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:05 pm
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Are the circled items floater nets?
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Post Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:58 pm
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Thanks. I never trust anyone else's models for accuracy, as I don't know where they are getting their information from. I could just be repeating someone else's misinterpretation.
Post Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:44 am
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http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020857e.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020867.jpg
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/020801.jpg
did you look at the models at the bottom of the page?
http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/08.htm
Post Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 1:43 pm
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Well, after looking at more plans and more photos, I don't think these platforms actually exist. Not sure why they were included, but all I can find are some short vertical ladders leading up to the flight deck from the catwalks.
Post Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:42 pm
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no problem.
Post Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:24 am
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DavidP wrote:
CV-5 – USS Yorktown – Booklet of General Plans, 1940, Yorktown Class https://www.hnsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/cv5.pdf


Duh. Forgot about those. Thanks David.
Post Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2020 8:27 am
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CV-5 – USS Yorktown – Booklet of General Plans, 1940, Yorktown Class https://www.hnsa.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/cv5.pdf
Post Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 8:14 pm
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DavidP wrote:
Enterprise 1940 plans alright? shows 2 of those inclined stairs on either end of the 5" gun decks. 2 of them at the forward end of the aft boat bay, 1 from the catwalk to a platform halfway down & the 2nd from that platform down to hanger deck level.

Thanks. I'm not sure those are the same things, and I can't find my Yorktown plans. These are short inclined ladders that lead from the catwalks to a railed platform just below the deck edge.
Post Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:52 pm
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Enterprise 1940 plans alright? shows 2 of those inclined stairs on either end of the 5" gun decks. 2 of them at the forward end of the aft boat bay, 1 from the catwalk to a platform halfway down & the 2nd from that platform down to hanger deck level.
Post Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:17 pm
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GMM includes these access ladders/platforms from the catwalks to the flight deck. After going through this entire thread, looking at the Maryland Silver Plans and also photos, I'm still not sure where they go. Anyone have an idea?

I want to add them to the catwalks before I go much further:
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As an aside, after reading this whole thread, I'm aghast to see just how many years this model has been kicking around. :doh_1:
Post Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:49 am
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Last few....again, courtesy RV Petrel
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Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 5:50 pm
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Yes, considering the pounding she took, parts of her are in great shape. And all the thanks goes to Fred, for pestering Petrel for access to these! All photos courtesy of RV Petrel.

I had downloaded a few more, which I neglected to post. Here is the first batch.
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Post Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 5:48 pm
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Incredible pictures! Thanks for posting them, Martin. Hornet looks to be in great condition... :thumbs_up_1:
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