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Topic review - Calling all HMS Erin & HMS Agincourt (WWI) fans
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  Post subject:  Re: Calling all HMS Erin & HMS Agincourt (WWI) fans  Reply with quote
If the British government ever did, Doug, I've never seen it printed anywhere. However, they may have written the sum "off" as "reparations!" Parkes does say that AGINCOURT was retained briefly after hostilities in the hope that Brazil might want to take her over!
Post Posted: Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:55 am
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Did they refund the price to Turkey?
Post Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 12:09 pm
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James and anyone else interested in "The Gin Palace"

The following has been extracted from Dr Oscar Parkes' great work. It will serve to correct any errors that I posted in my 10.16am 19 Feb. The ship was acquired by Turkey in early 1914. The ship was docking at Devonport, when war was beginning to look possible. Her detention was arranged on sundry accounts (I've always understood that her being taken by the UK was actually a big factor in Turkey declaring war on us), however, various modifications were effected to fit the ship for RN service including removal of the boat bridges and the net defence. The main tripod mast (after one) was removed in 1916 and a short pole mast substituted. This was later dispensed with and the big derrick pole fitted with a topmast for WT. The bridge was enlarged in 1918 and the searchlights were re-grouped in towers around the after funnel.

Parkes; who served in the ship for a time, makes no mention of the paint scheme shown in the attachment to Bruno's first post. Without information from an official source, I would therefore take Perkins as read but sadly this still leaves Bruno's two part question unanswered.
Post Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:31 am
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Perkins may possibly be wrong: I am probably wrong. Thank you, James! Speculation about the reason for the temporary paint scheme would be interesting but I will not pursue it.
Post Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:05 am
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I understand that Perkins was not always correct, but in his volume "British Warship Recognition - The Perkins Identification Albums Volume 1: Capital Ships 1895-1939" it narrates that Agincourt was laid down for Brazil, sold to Turkey in January 1914 as Sultan Osman I and bought by Great Britain in August 1914. His illustrations show HMS Agincourt received into British service still with maintopmast, flying deck between funnels, no searchlight platforms on the Samson post and torpedo nets installed.

It's possible he got the timeline wrong, but clearly the photograph above is configured the same as his "1915-1916" sketch which is summarised by the inverse of the above noted features. Notes A-C below the sketch state nets, rig (i.e. maintopmast) and flying deck were removed in 1914, whilst note D states that the searchlights on the Samson post were removed in 1915. Below these is an unnumbered note to claim "On joining G.F. painting dark hull, lighter upperworks, (Temp.)"
Post Posted: Wed Feb 24, 2021 3:45 am
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May be it is not a white boot topping, but red antifouling showing through. Thus, dark hull, red antifouling paint.
Post Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 12:21 pm
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Bruno,

Thanks. I did not intend to question whether or not you were a RN expert. There is no such thing as an "expert" anyway, in my opinion. Regrettably, Atma's post has been deleted, so I cannot comment on it, nor can I comment on the accuracy of Flyhawk's painting instructions.

The photograph that you posted was shown me by a very reliable source and it was determined that it shows the ship before she was "taken over" by Britain: she is not flying the white ensign.

I cannot write with any confidence but it does show the ship after the "flying boat decks" had been removed. The net defence has not been installed, probably because she was not in RN service at the time. The ship did receive this and kept it (subject to further information) until after the Battle of Jutland. The ship still has her after (mizen?) mast; which was later removed.
Post Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:16 am
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Hi Guest,
ok, i am no Royal Navy Expert, this scheme is on the back of the Box marked as 1915. I checked with the drawing from Atma (?) posted some time ago and it looks like she had the anti-torpedo nets, searchlights, and other items removed by 1915. I think Flyhawk too looked at that drawing.
Best regards
Post Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:41 pm
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Bruno,

A word of caution.

That photograph was, I believe, taken shortly before the ship was "taken over" by the Royal Navy. I understood that when I first saw it some time ago, that it reflected the paint scheme that the ship would have been in had she actually made to her intended owners: Turkey.
Post Posted: Thu Feb 18, 2021 7:25 am
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Hi All,
i am currently building the Flyhawk HMS Agincourt and have a colour-question:
If i look at this picture, are the turret tops painted dark or painted the same as the hull?
And the waterline looks like a light colour too, maybe white?
Best regards!


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Post Posted: Wed Feb 17, 2021 4:27 pm
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Dont know if this has been posted before but this is a very accurate information for all the changes in HMS Agincourt during various dates in WWI.
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Post Posted: Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:27 am
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The long-awaited Flyhawk Agincourt has now received a box art and some parts have been tooled! Shown at the 2019 All Japan Hobby Show: https://twitter.com/HobbylandOsaka/stat ... 1282855936


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Post Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 5:54 pm
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Timmy C wrote:
I think most builders have made the most use out of WEM's Tiger class and WWI British Battleship sets:
https://www.whiteensignmodels.com/p/WEM ... gpW8WiPKuU
https://www.whiteensignmodels.com/p/WEM ... gpWoWiPKuU

More recently, they also put out a set for Trumpy's WWI QE kit, which should also have some usable bits: https://www.whiteensignmodels.com/p/WEM ... gpXnWiPKuU

Here's Martin Quinn's build of the Combrig kit using bits, bobs, and the WEM Tiger fret: http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/sh ... Palace.htm


Thanks!

I've been fascinated with the ship for years and even had the privilege of friendship with someone who served on her. When I build her there will be a few very subtle details added as a sort of memorial to them and the stories they shared.
Post Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:42 pm
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I think most builders have made the most use out of WEM's Tiger class and WWI British Battleship sets:
https://www.whiteensignmodels.com/p/WEM ... gpW8WiPKuU
https://www.whiteensignmodels.com/p/WEM ... gpWoWiPKuU

More recently, they also put out a set for Trumpy's WWI QE kit, which should also have some usable bits: https://www.whiteensignmodels.com/p/WEM ... gpXnWiPKuU

Here's Martin Quinn's build of the Combrig kit using bits, bobs, and the WEM Tiger fret: http://www.modelwarships.com/reviews/sh ... Palace.htm
Post Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:41 pm
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Is anyone aware of any PE sets offered for the Agincourt?

I'd actually be interested in PE that would have similar parts, since a lot of the fittings, boats and aerials would be similar to other British-builts of the period.
Post Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 2:57 pm
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I just received my Combrig 1/700 Agincourt and well, first the positives: The hull is feakin awesome! The level of detail here is amazing. I can stare at it for hours, really. The superstructure parts are likewise lovely and I can't wait to see them painted and put together.

The drawings included are also fantastic. The level of detail I can add, just from these makes me want to start building. :)

Negatives would be the packaging. All of the parts other than the hull are in one bag, with the hull free in a wide box and (most likely during shipping) a number of the gun barrels are broken off. To be fair, I have not contacted either seller or manufacturer because I'm not sure whether it's much of a problem for me since I was probably going to scratch-build my own barrels any way.

Still, such a lovely kit deserves a better fitting box and maybe a couple of separate bags for the small parts to ride in.

Overall I give the kit high marks.
Post Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:06 pm
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Are there any recommended resources for Erin/Agincourt builds? I saw the CG WIP pictures of Agincourt's upperworks, which will help. Was this model ever finished?
Post Posted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:08 am
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HMS Erin Builders Model
An updated ink to the David Ross photos now on the Finewaterline site: http://www.finewaterline.com/pages/albums/erin/hms_erin_builders_model.html
and an example:
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Cheers,
George
Post Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2014 2:29 pm
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Hello all. I am building ISW's 1/350 Agincourt, 1916 config as the kit state. Well, until now I was not able to find good pictures for the forward and aft superstructures for this year (and there is not so much for earlier configs, either).
The aft superstructure in particular NEEDS a set of supports to be sustainable... Any help really appreciated!
Post Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:09 pm
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Thanks for the superstructure pictures - I'm scratch building my own model of Gin Palace and they are VERY useful!
Post Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2009 4:24 am

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