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Topic review - 1/350 HMS Imperial D09
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Nice work. You are quite brave to mess with a completed model like that - but it looks like it was worth it. Agreed that the funnels look the same height in the photo.
Post Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 2:57 pm
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Hi folks,

Firstly, Steve, I somehow missed this but the name plaque would be great. I have something else to run by you so shall get in touch separately...


Right. After a number of years on the lookout for photographs of HMS Imperial during wartime, when my great uncle was aboard, I found the single one earlier in the thread of Imperial damaged after striking a mine. My father recalls Alec telling him about that incident so with nothing more than a distant image, I did my best.

Not long after finishing the model Richard Dennis stumbled across a collection of high quality close-ups of the stern area in a damage report file in The National Archives. Needless to say, there are some differences and once seen, never unseen and all that. I always intended to fix the model but struggled with a mental block as far as actually damaging it in order to remodel it went!

I've finally made a start though.

First of all the rigging was cut.
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The tripod mainmast I made has been unmade.
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The stern end was subject to the photographs as the mine fractured both propeller shaft A-frame brackets and buckled the whole stern upwards damaging deck plating, the side plating and stoving in the keel plating right to the very stern. The photographs show the stern from a number of angles above and below and from these it's possible to see that there's no mainmast but also that the camouflage pattern was a bit more wavy here, terminating on the quarters to display the pendant number on a field of 507C right at the stern. There was also camouflage on Y position gun shield but apparently not X gun.
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Atlantic Models pendant number decals
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Some masking of the boot topping since I am not very precise with a brush and this is absolutely not the optimal order in which to build, paint, and embed a model ship in a sea base!
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Lastly, there's a new stub mast fitted to the back of the searchlight platform as other I-class seem to have been modified to.
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I still need to reattach the rigging to it.

Other I-class destroyers also had their aft funnel cut down (I went out of my way to extend this one :whistle: ) but in the towing photograph the aft funnel still looks equal height to me?
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Cutting it down will need re-rigging again and I hate funnel stays so I'll leave that for the time being.

Lastly other I-class destroyers had one of the pentad torpedo tube mounts removed and the remainder had its centre tube removed. I haven't touched this yet.
Post Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:47 am
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Nice work!

If interested:


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Post Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:30 am
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It's too late and dark for taking photographs but Imperial is now rigged and close to being finished.

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Post Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:51 pm
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I think we're on the home straight with this now. I'll start the rigging next - there's a surprising amount of it for a small ship. Then there are a few tiny little bits here and there to be added. Some PE touchups will inevitably be needed...

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Post Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2018 1:27 pm
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I seem to have lost a few pieces! Argh... I'm sure they will turn up and I can add them later (just some depth charges).

Tonight I added the ship's boats, their davits, a little frame at the stern and permanently glued the masts on. There are a couple of davits for paravanes to go at the stern, and I want to get better paravanes themselves as the metal ones are a bit, well, clunky. Still, with the handrailing added and remaining ladders plus anchors, chain and some rigging, this will look fairly ship-shape. I could do with some crew, and shall probably get some from Northstar. I have some spare binoculars and stuff from l'Arsenal I can busy-up the open bridge with. The end appears to be in sight!

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Post Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:59 pm
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I have made up the pole foremast and tripod mainmast. They need painted before fitting.

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Post Posted: Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:35 am
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Cracking little build!
Post Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2018 12:23 am
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Thanks!

Imperial had to take a bit of a break. Those with a common interest may have noted I've been very busy with work of late, but, I made some time for myself yesterday after replacing the washing machine drum...

I got the other Vickers gun assembled then the pair painted and mounted on the gun platform:
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I really do love those little Tetra Model Works guns and am very pleased they have finally released the Pom Poms in a similar fashion.

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Tonight I added some railings and ladders to the bridge. There are still semaphores and some pipes to add, but that section is close to done now.

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Post Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:42 pm
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Great work! Thanks for sharing. I think your sea/water looks great!
Post Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:16 am
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I made a start on the Tetra Model Works 0.5in Quad Vickers guns.

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Post Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2018 4:27 am
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Nice work! Excellent detail showing through in those printed parts as well


I wouldn't say cameras lie... it's our brains that do that :) Cameras are just telling us what wavelengths were hitting their CCDs during some brief period of time. We automatically do such phenomenal colour correction on the info coming from our eyes, that the only thing you can really be certain of is that you are NOT 'seeing' what's actually there! Unfortunately this colour correction is sometimes done without enough data, and so our brains have to guess about conditions etc. Photos are out of context and allow us a glimpse of what goes on in our heads.
Post Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 5:17 pm
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Not much to show this time, but I've added the lens to the search light and glazed it with Clearfix

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I added the siren platform and two sirens to the aft funnel

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And I made a small modification to the Brazilian bridge to accommodate the coincidence range finder that HMS Imperial had. This amounted to very minor choppy choppy on the resin bridge, two razor saw cuts on the resin range finger piece, and a piece of suitable diameter plastic sprue cut to length then sawn in half length-ways to make a semi-circular section. The plans and photographs I can find aren't 100% clear here, so I have interpreted what can be seen as best as I can.

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I think the most startling aspect of these three photographs taken with the same phone camera as all the above, but indoors at twilight under the phone's flash, is that one should not choose any old random paint colours on a "that looks about right" basis (particularly without any real knowledge of what "right" actually looks like) under artificial light. These images look completely different to the previous post's images taken with the same camera outdoors in the sun light. Whoever first said "cameras never lie" was a fool. Cameras are pathological liars!
Post Posted: Tue May 29, 2018 3:35 pm
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Hi,

Honestly I don't know. There is an abundance of early war photographs of the pre-war built destroyers still show the portholes unplated including Intrepid, Havelock, Hurricane etc. Infact just Googling some of the G, H and I class names off the top of my head (so not exhaustive by any means) I haven't found any images which show the portholes plated over.

I've got nothing on Imperial either way. That single wartime photograph I've got is inconclusive in that respect.

Best regards,

Jamie
Post Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 11:01 am
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Excellent work, however, as this is a wartime version, wouldn't most of the portholes/scuttles have been plated over ?

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Post Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 7:18 am
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Thank you all for your time and comments. It is much appreciated as encouragement :thumbs_up_1:

Matt, the green stuff is a variously called "chemiwood", or tooling board or medium density modelling board. It's a grainless substance which can be sawn, filed, milled, drilled, turned and sanded and is often used for prototyping or master pattern making. I bought a small block of it back when I was mostly building radio controlled aircraft models as it's a nice density that sits somewhere between being easily workable yet without weighing as much as most metals do.

http://www.fighteraces.co.uk/product/chemiwood-modelling-board/

I've heard (second hand) that Peter Hall uses a similar product for master patterns for the ex-WEM / now Atlantic Models kits. I use mine on occasion. The biggest offput is cutting a suitable chunk out of the block to use, which admittedly would be much faster with a bandsaw! I do have a scroll saw. Perhaps I should put that somewhere useful and I could make better use of this stuff. Cutting a bit out with a modelling razor saw is a bit of a chew.
Post Posted: Mon May 28, 2018 2:17 am
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Fantastic piece James , lovely destroyer and your impressive work is showing the results . :thumbs_up_1:
Post Posted: Sun May 27, 2018 10:36 pm
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James,

Loving the build and the commentary to go along. I did have a question, and apologies if you explained it already. What is that Green stuff that you made the funnel out of?

Keep the updates coming!

Matt

PS> Watch out for shapeways, your order once..... it's almost impossible not to order again! :heh:
Post Posted: Sun May 27, 2018 8:59 pm
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Bloody marvelous, m8!
Post Posted: Sun May 27, 2018 5:01 pm
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The 3D printed stuff has been painted base colours (507C and dark deck grey) and the detailing is suddenly visible.

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Post Posted: Sun May 27, 2018 11:52 am

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