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Topic review - To HMS Victory and beyond
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Used the nice weather to sand outside. Good for the tinkering cave, the nose and the soul.

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Just enjoy.

XXXDAn
Post Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:50 am
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After raising the bow and stern, it was time for the upper deck. To do this, remove the deck, fix the polysterol strip for the new bulwark with clamps ...

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... and scribe the curve of the lower deck with a blade. Then set the cut, put the deck back in, clamped the fitted bulwark piece again and scribed it with a block on the inside to have a uniform height above the deck. Then removed, cut the height cleanly and ...

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... glued in place. You can hardly see it, there are little wooden blocks glued under the clamps on the outside of the hull, just like on the bow, so that it is flush on the outside.

And slowly it's becoming something :-)

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The elements on the deck are still orientation aids made of cardboard and not dimensionally adjusted, but you can already see where it's going.

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The raised bow ...

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... the quarterdeck with Nelson's sloop under the poop ...

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... the small guard house, behind it two flag boxes still missing and probably the biggest surprise for the most of you ...

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... the forecastle over the forecastle, the fore-fore-castle so to speak.

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Hardly visible from the outside ...

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... unless someone is standing on it :-)

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XXXDAn
Post Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:17 am
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Thank you gentlemen :-)

One already suffers as a model builder ;-)

And when I'm not doing such nonsense, I'm busy at the moment with the elevations of the sides. During the rebuilding in 1816 the high round bow was installed according to Seppings. Everything was first a cardboard template. Here is the immensely high new bow ...

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... then along the upper deck ...

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... and the built poop.

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A face that only a mother could love - or a dafi ;-)

Then transfer of the masks to 2 mm polysterol ...

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... warm up this round nose part ...

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... and pre-bend it.

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But 2 mm polysterol doesn't quite want to go the way I want, even with heat, so I cold bend it over the edge of the table until it's nice & soft.

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And for further help I had already installed supports inside ...

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... and since I still have concerns, I also glued something on the outside to hold it up, no, it's not hawse-pieces, that's coming off again :-)


And somehow it was important now that I got the next parts done, just so for the sore soul ...

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And now the worst part for me: patience to let it dry well!

XXXDAn
Post Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:55 am
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Auwch! :Mad_6:


But what kind of father puts his baby unattended at the edge of a table?! :big_grin: :big_grin: :big_grin:
Post Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 10:11 am
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Yikes! Well recovered though!
Post Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:38 pm
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Aaaaarghhh! :Mad_5: :Mad_6: you poor devil!

but already you are en route to the cure.

I admire your fortitude!

JIM B :wave_1:
Post Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 11:30 am
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Actually I only wanted to cut a new upper deck. To do this, I put the large 2mm polysterol sheet on the table, pushed the model to the edge and ...

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... must have been one of the active gale-force winds, I can't explain it any other way.

First look, everything went well. Second look, no, 2 windows are missing, stupid but no problem, I have already produced enough replacements.

But then ...

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... I had glued the struts for the elevation of the bow on a section of the upper battery deck shortly before. This, of course, was also loose. And when I tried to reattach it I noticed, :censored_2:, the hull is suddenly 2 mm wider than before !?!!

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The two upper decks were only put in without being glued in order to be able to take them out again for the installation of the window panes. But the gap on the side is clearly visible.

So I did what was only thought of much later, cut the "carriages" off the windows ...

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... and the upper 2 decks were succesively taken out and the culprit was discovered: the lower gun deck.

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This was the only one glued in and was it broken and tilted and so could not flex back.

So I drilled some holes and used hooks to lever the deck back up ...

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... and re-glued it well.

In the meantime I found 6 more loose windows, but they could all be kept in situ, only one at the very front I had to glue in a replacement part.

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The other decks are now also back inside and I could continue.

XXXDAn
Post Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:29 am
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Thank you Jim and Maijn,

And we continued with sanding and filling ...

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... there is still a long way to go ...

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... until its smooth as a baby's bum ;-)

XXXDAn
Post Posted: Mon Feb 14, 2022 9:17 am
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Still following with great interest! :thumbs_up_1:

I have nothing to contribute here, only to learn...
Post Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2022 9:45 am
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arghhhh!!! flipped reversed photo....
( but also sooooo many useful good photos around that black and white period!

you are suffering much pain....

But ... great positive attitude!

:thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:

JB
Post Posted: Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:07 pm
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Since I have once again scored some stupid mistakes, I recant all and everything and claim the opposite ;-)

First for orientation the side view with port numbering, the original photo is mirrored, as the following interior views also show the port side.

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First the fat mistake: when I was sitting in front of the hull and wanted to sand it, I suddenly thought, oh my dear, since when are the signal guns not in the upper deck but in the middle deck?

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Its because I had mistakenly assigned the following picture to the upper deck because of the gun mounts :-0

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But it is clearly the middle deck, also recognisable by the top of the forward capstan. What confused me were the guns behind the signal guns.

So I looked at the photos again and rediscovered a detail I had already had forgotten a long time ago:

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Windows 4,5,6 with the yellow circle are the signal guns of the middle deck, followed by an obscured window and then in 8 and 9 guns!

The interior view shows 3 guns at this place. Further beyond a gun can be seen at the very back, which has the breechline lying on it like in this picture:

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You can also see that there doesn't seem to be a booth at the entrance port, only a small indistinct structure can be seen.

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I have also numbered the picture of the upper deck according to the outside view for better understanding.

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The pipe inside is between ports 7 and 8. The pipe outside can be seen just before port 9 and is probably hidden behind by the hanging knee.

As described before, I suspect a booth around of window 10 due to the shadow on the deck and the 2 guns - also guessable in the deck shadow - in 11 and 12 and behind the bulkhead gun 13.

It remains exciting, DAniel
Post Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 11:00 am
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Here is a small excursion into the interior life of the Victory around 1900. The difficulty is that there are far fewer pictures and it is much more difficult to put them in chronological order.
The first picture is of the upper gun deck, the photographer standing at the level of the foremast chains and looking aft.

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So far this is the only picture showing the signal guns on the inside. All the supports for the deck beams are from iron. The space is empty so far, which seems to be the case in other interior pictures.

A picture further back in the ship - from about the middle of the waist - shows the 12-pounders.

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The structure behind the gun racks is interesting. My interpretation based on the shadow on the deck is a cabin in front of the red outlined window, the light area behind it could be 2 windows with the other guns, and then the partition to Nelson's cabins behind. Plans of 1830 show a bulkhead with doors at excately the same place, and as in the pictures the doors open to the head. So the shadow should not be the door´s one.

The chute outside should be between the last and the second last gun, but I can't find any indication of it on the inside. Possibly the small bend to the aft is a sign that a pipe comes from the direction of the window and the cabin, which could indicate sanitary rooms.

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Another image concerns the two heavy Tarfalgar guns in the mid-deck, recognisable by the two-piece window and the larger angle of the ship's side, marked on the outside picture in the green frame.

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Whether the view is aft or towards the bow is not yet clear to me. Either the structure behind is the bulkhead to the officers' cabins or a booth of the entrance hatch.

But you can see that the gun carriage sits very low and that the gun therefore rests on the port frame below. On the other hand, on pictures of the upper battery deck you can see that the carriages there have significantly higher proportions, which also makes the gun barrels sit higher in the port.

Here are two more pictures that I think are from the upper battery deck: One is probably the oldest picture of the series, showing Nelson's cabin, and the rooms in front of it ...

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... and once probably also mid-deck with the heavy Trafalgar guns, judging by the slope of the ship's side.

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It remains exciting :-)

XXXDAn
Post Posted: Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:47 am
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In the meantime, the white parts are also finished. And always these brain pictures. These were the two Trafalgar guns in the first attempt ...

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... but when I checked the window dimensions again ...

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... crap, the panes only have two parts. Three parts were at the guns in the upper deck.

Then glued in the frame as before ...

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... filler pieces glued in for better support ...

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... and filled with putty:-)

This deck is also only inlaid, because I will have to to take it out again and work on the inside later to put the window panes into the frames. For this I will trim back the carriages. That's why I made the new triangular cut-outs on the frontside of the carriage.

And I also did a test print. The foremost window in the lower deck had window bars. These are very fine.

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And they are to be fitted into the already fixed frames. You can see, however, that they are so fine that slight distortions occur when printing - since no supports can be used. Since the frame has too little undersize for its hole, this is of course exacerbated.

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And then again AAAAARGHH! With the dimensions of this bit, I got the first rectangular version and not the frames with a lower height that were used in the end ...

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... ok, can be corrected with the next print, maybe the distortion will be better too.

XXXDAn
Post Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:59 am
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While the printer was finally processing white resin again, some more planning and work preparation went on. The bulwarks of the open decks will have to be built. This has to be placed on top of the plastic hull shells, so construction, positioning and stability are a challenge. That's why I first filed gaps in the deck support for supports of the bulwarks.

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Then the supports are glued in place and a 2 mm polysterol plate is put on top.

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Clamps to press the plate to the support and wire to press the plate down to the hull.

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Then in the deck, slots for the supports were cut ...

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... and the interior panelling added.

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But it looked too thick compared to the photos. That's why I removed the panelling and the supports and it still holds perfectly.

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I sanded the cut edge again to get an even gluing surface. Since all my big files have a very distinct convexity, I took a stable piece of wood and glued it on with sandpaper :-)

XXXDAn
Post Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 5:08 am
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Thank you Jim. You do not know what that means, as some 10 years ago your models were a big inspiration for my own coming out out of the out of box modelling***! Thank you for that too!

XXXDAn

*** aka: cooooobm ;-)
Post Posted: Tue Feb 01, 2022 5:01 am
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sheeeesh ! !!! !!!

the original de=construction looked alarming....

but,

it is exhausting merely reading , looking and understanding what you are doing.....

SUPERLATIVE efforts, methods and no fear of experimentation !!

excellent research images too

your perseverance, tenacity and dedication really is most admirable

JIM B :wave_1:

Hut Ab ! !! ( translation ... colloquial German saying that declares.....

Respect !
Post Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:21 pm
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Thank you! :-) :-) :-)

Since I have to print with black resin paint at the moment and thus can't easily put my white parts in between, here is a bit of preparation for the next steps. Sometime around 1860 to 1880 the Victory got a small booth on the poop deck.

This probably served as a shelter for the watch and was small in the early years ...

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... but was quite quickly converted to a more comfortable size.

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Therefore, here is the determination of the approximate dimensions and position based on the available photographs.

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Here is the approximate relationship between the distance between the mizzen mast, the booth and the stern. It was easy to measure in some of the pictures and the values were always approximately the same. You have to compensate a little for the perspective shift, but the basic dimensions seem to be right.

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On this view you can determine the width of the booth at its aft end, this point was already defined in the first step. Practically, the width of the booth is equal to its height. The two flag lockers could also be determined by the iron supports at the bulwark.

With this I have been able to draw a plan of the quarterdeck that is good enough for my purposes.
The measurements are 1:100.

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And the height of the bulwark could also be roughly determined via the sailor's belly button. On the outside view I could also determine the foreward end of the bulwark by means of a port.

So far it fits.

XXXDAn
Post Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 4:39 am
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dafi wrote:

The bolts in the holes and especially the detail I'm looking forward to building the most: the support of the chimney pipe!

hehehehe :cool_1: ..and don't forget the damaged planking and the fore mock window, that's gonna be fun too!

Congrats DAn, very inspiring craftsmanship and research, as usual :thumbs_up_1:

Cheers,

SG
Post Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 6:52 am
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Somehow I still have some sanding to do and somehow I'm afraid that I'll get a lot of dirt behind the windows ...

That's why I temporarily put in the decks ...

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... and opened all the window ports so that the inserts fit well.

The front 2 gates are also being closed right now, because ...

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... around 1922 they were also closed :-)

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A wonderful picture*** from 1922! You can see how the Victory was still lying on the water shortly before :-0

The bolts in the holes and especially the detail I'm looking forward to building the most: the support of the chimney pipe!

The port/window at the very front was still open for many years, but judging by the sequence of photographs it was planked over sometime between 1900 and 1920.

Best regards, DAniel

PS***: The historical picture is mirrored to match my construction pictures.
Post Posted: Mon Jan 24, 2022 5:08 am
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It looks like the right-hand window is at least partially open, which may be making it look a little wider than the other (or at least less tall...)
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