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Sovereign Hobbies have now published an updated graphic showing HMS Prince of Wales' December 1941 Camouflage scheme:
[url]https://www.sovereignhobbies.co.uk/pages/british-royal-navy-colour-schemes[/url]

Which should be helpful to anyone modelling HMS Prince of Wales.

If it were me I would apply the camouflage as normal. The highlighted bit seems to me to be just a reflection with no bearing on the overall camouflage scheme. I certainly would not think it is a different colour or anything like that.

[quote="Mr. Church"]Are you referring to the two areas I am pointing to in red here?
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If so it looks to me that it is just a reflection off the near-horizontal top of the external armour belt?

I would say the same colours as you see above extend downwards onto the armour belt uninterrupted but just look different due to reflection off the near-horizontal top of the armour belt when the rest of the colour is vertical.[/quote]

Yes I am, thanks. It has been one of those ongoing issues about this ship that makes it so difficult to recreate.

Are you referring to the two areas I am pointing to in red here?
[attachment=0]POW.JPG[/attachment]

If so it looks to me that it is just a reflection off the near-horizontal top of the external armour belt?

I would say the same colours as you see above extend downwards onto the armour belt uninterrupted but just look different due to reflection off the near-horizontal top of the armour belt when the rest of the colour is vertical.

I checked the video and that contrast puzzle is on all frames, but none of the photographs...

Paint can easily be adjusted this early on. The rigging is proving to be a headache as it appears different to other KGV ships.

The Pontos detail up kit is rather interesting. It has very good instructions however there are photo etched parts included in the POW set that are not listed on the instructions such as that scupper on each side of the ship. There also appears to be a boom attached to the ships hull proven in photo images. I had to improvise with parts in the Pontos kit that did not appear allocated to use.

I could imagine 1/700 would be extremely difficult. It is bad enough as it is with extremely fine tweezers trying to put some extremely small photoetch parts on a 1/350. With a bit of luck by the weekend I may have it completed to a degree I am happy with.

The video below is going to give people a headache. The bottom right corner appears to indicate completely broken up colours. Perhaps a paint job or primer or colours being altered at the time of filming.

How do you feel about it?

I've made a little more headway on my own 1/700 scale effort recently. I also updated the drawing above to show the individual gun barrels and the turret roofs.

[img]http://village.photos/images/user/483a5850-3d62-4900-8176-6062170ac842/resized_969787a6-6edd-4757-8245-af7725be32af.jpg[/img]

Its not finished yet but making progress. Still got to clean up some finer details and make some adjustments here and there.

[quote="JCRAY"]Excellent Effort Sutho!
Thank you for showing us how the new Colorcoats look on POW![/quote]


Thanks I will post some more photos soon. It is well on its way to being finished. If it were not for those revised paints then I would not have believed that the colours were credible. My only guess was that WEM probably believed they had the correct paints in good faith but I suspect got samples from paint that had spoiled somewhat by going yellowish.

On another note I am trying to figure out the rigging diagram for Prince of Wales and posted in the Battleships KGV fan section if anyone can help me.

Excellent Effort Sutho!
Thank you for showing us how the new Colorcoats look on POW!

[quote="whaynes"]I've seen several models and pictures of Prince of Wales, and each seems to show different paint schemes for her ship's boats. Were the hulls camoflage colors as the superstructure/ Were the decks gray [grey], natural wood? Were the upper works, cabins white, camo or some other color? Thanks.
Walt Haynes[/quote]
Its a black and white video but the keel of the boats appear to be white with the tops white and decks possibly teak. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqfHbu6o7HU

Its been a while but I am now working on repainting the Prince of Wales kit I had after carefully stripping the initial paint and repainting with the new revised colours. I hope I am doing the right thing.

I've seen several models and pictures of Prince of Wales, and each seems to show different paint schemes for her ship's boats. Were the hulls camoflage colors as the superstructure/ Were the decks gray [grey], natural wood? Were the upper works, cabins white, camo or some other color? Thanks.
Walt Haynes

Thank you sir

I meant the steel decks, were likely painted 507 A, MS 2 or MS 1 in that timeframe.
"Dark Grays"
I was just pointing out her wood decks were unpainted at the time of that photo series.

I was referring to the steel decks- not the planked decks.

To me, the photo's taken at Scapa look like unpainted wood decks!
However other photos at other times indicate dark Gray. Your choice 507A or MS 2 or MS 1, are all possibilities.
Your model your call!
hth
John

Well, I have received the Colourcoats paints of the appropriate colors and am starting the model. I assume the steel decks were a dark grey but is there a particular shade of grey designated?
Walt

[quote="SovereignHobbies"][quote="whaynes"]I have re-read these 36+ pages and reviewed this discussion until I feel somewhat better about beginning construction of HMS Prince of Wales as she appeared at the end of 1941.
I assume that the diagram Mr. Duff included with his post on June 5, 2018, is the correct pattern.
And I think I'm correct with the following colors [colours]: MS 1, MS 3, B 5, B6, AP 507c.

Is this correct? Thanks for a reply.
Walt Haynes[/quote]

Hi Walt,

The final iteration of our suggestion was this:

[img]https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0730/0927/files/HMS_Prince_of_Wales_December_1941_Rev2.png?v=1541180506[/img]

Given how some known examples of B5 washed out a lot on cine film, and it was a cine film clip we had, it would taken a braver man than me to make a definitive statement that PoW used 507A rather than B5. They're similar in tone. MS1 is probably a given, and as you will have gathered the rest is our best interpretation of what we can see. Could MS4 have been B6? Perhaps, but the cine clip gives a greenish rather than bluish impression.

The above doesn't clash with anything we do have. If we ever get something better which disproves us, great - we'd all love to see it.[/quote]

I have just received a shipment of the new colours, I think they look nice in that pattern above. I had been waiting a year for the paints and incidentally my holidays were booked for April. I was booked to go on the Diamond Princess around Japan but since that ship got quarantined the company cancelled early on. My April holidays are still booked so it now looks like I will be sitting down in front of the models again and painting.

I think the new colours are not as yellow toned as the WEM versions. Perhaps when they got their paint chips the paint had already started to go bad. Anyway I am wondering more now about the B5 now you mentioned it.

Thanks so much- that clears up a lot of questions for me.
Walt