HMVS Cerberus in 1/96 scale - Completed 29/4/07

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by Edward Pinniger » Fri May 11, 2007 7:59 am

Thanks for the replies - glad you like my model despite its numerous "issues" (not least the semi-waterline hull reminiscent of a 1950s Revell kit). Sorry for the lack of replies to your questions, as I haven't had time recently to visit the forums much.
Laurent wrote: maybe just one point : the flukes ( "ears" ) on the anchors seem to be in the wrong direction !?!
Not sure how that happened! :censored_2: I have no idea why I made this error and why I didn't notice it until you pointed it out. (It should be easily fixable, however) At least I haven't made any casting moulds from the anchors yet!

One more comment about the anchors, I think the original ones (represented on my model) were later replaced by stockless anchors, which may not have required the davits - hence the reason why the anchor davits are not shown on many photos. My model should probably have had the stockless anchors, I think they were fitted in the 1870s or 1880s - but I could not find any plans or clear photos of them at the time I was building the model, hence I built the older-style anchors in the 1/250 card kit.

There are probably quite a few more errors like this on the model - I've decided, however, to leave this model as it is (other than adding figures and possibly fixing the anchor flukes), and put the lessons I've learned to use on future builds. As my first completed 1/96 scratchbuild, I don't really want to take it apart to improve/correct it, or I'll probably end up dismantling the whole thing and starting again!
Dave Wooley wrote:Are you putting Cerberus in a case ?
Eventually I plan to put all my scratchbuilt models in a case, and at least some of my kit-built ships, unfortunately this isn't practical at the minute mainly for space reasons! I use a compressed air can (available at computer + electrical hardware stores) for dusting complex models like this, which works fairly well.
Torpedo wrote:The figures I got were not soo bad, but there are excellent ones from Preiser-Germany.
I'm intending on buying some Preiser railway figures soon to use on my ship models, I will be getting Z-gauge (1/220) and N-gauge (1/144) figures for models in or around these scales, but am not sure what the best choice for 1/96 ships would be: TT (1/100) or HO (1/87)? 1/100 is closer to 1/96, but there is a greater variety of figures available in 1/87, including a set of uniformed railway staff who would make good naval crew when painted in the right uniform colours. Any suggestions?

Anyway, I should be resuming work on the USS Hazard and Yamato soon and will post updates in those threads when I do. The 1/35 MTB (scratchbuilt on an Astec Mouldings vacform hull) is still in the very early stages. All WW2 at the minute, but I have plans for several 19th century ships in the near future!

by MichelB » Thu May 10, 2007 7:32 am

Indeed, a fantastic Victorian behemoth of a ship. :thumbs_up_1:

by Torpedo » Thu May 10, 2007 6:28 am

Hi Tony,

sorry, I didn't speak to Mr. Zinnecker yet. The figures I got were not soo bad, but there are excellent ones from Preiser-Germany.

By the way, what about the Pommern?!? I can't wait to see more progress!!! Do you have an email list for those who want to know when your Pommern-Report is updated? If yes, please set my adress on it!

By the way, next time you are in germany again, please tell me!

by Tony & Kaiser » Wed May 09, 2007 6:49 am

Torpedo wrote: For the figures, I suggest MZ-Modellbau.net which have lead figures or figures for architecture modells.
I would not. The parts I received from Zinnecker in December were so poor, that I would not use them on my Pommern model and tossed them in the garbage. They were globs of lead that were not even recognizable as human. You would be better off using erasers.

by Dave Wooley » Tue May 01, 2007 3:56 am

Loverly Job . Are you putting Cerberus in a case ? :thumbs_up_1:
Dave Wooley

by Dino Carancini » Mon Apr 30, 2007 12:35 pm

Congrats!

Very very nice! :thumbs_up_1:

Dino

by Schnellboot » Mon Apr 30, 2007 10:54 am

Great work indeed... :woo_hoo:

by Torpedo » Mon Apr 30, 2007 9:43 am

VERY nice!!!

by Laurent » Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:11 am

EPinniger ,

very nice model you 've built there ... :thumbs_up_1:

maybe just one point : the flukes ( "ears" ) on the anchors seem to be in the wrong direction !?!

Regards ,

Laurent

by Francisco P. de Nanclares » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:39 am

Thanks! :thumbs_up_1:

by roy allen » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:38 am

That one beautiful build you have there :woo_hoo: i take my hat off to you
:thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:


Roy

by Edward Pinniger » Sun Apr 29, 2007 2:57 pm

Francisco P. de Nanclares wrote:Hi all. E:

I am nosey about how the anchors were handled, since they seem to be laying on deck with no davit whatsoever near to help.

The model looks impressive, by the way. Very well done!.
Pachi.
You are right, the real ship did have davits (described as "anchor gallows" in the Paper Shipwright instruction sheet) for the anchors, both fore and aft; I put off building these as I couldn't find any good photos of them (the card model I used as plans is limited in detail in some areas due to the smaller scale, and represents the ship in its original unmodified state, so I tried to double-check every part of the ship with contemporary photos before building it); so one way or another I ended up never actually building the anchor davits. They are fairly simple structures, however, so I may try and add them later. After all, the model still isn't properly "finished" yet as it doesn't have crew figures!

To be honest, I didn't really notice their absence as most ships don't have anchor davits like this - but if you think about it, there must have been some way for the anchors to be lifted into the stowed position! I suspect that Cerberus had this arrangement as the anchors would otherwise drag in the water (due to the very low freeboard) if stowed in the normal way with the anchors hanging from their chains outside the hawse pipes.

by Francisco P. de Nanclares » Sun Apr 29, 2007 1:48 pm

Hi all. E:

I am nosey about how the anchors were handled, since they seem to be laying on deck with no davit whatsoever near to help.

The model looks impressive, by the way. Very well done!.
Pachi.

by Edward Pinniger » Sun Apr 29, 2007 11:40 am

If there's anything I'm slower at than finishing scratchbuilds, it's actually getting round to taking photographs of said models... I completed the Cerberus over a month ago (other than the boats and anchors, it was finished in late January) but only yesterday actually took some photos of the completed model.

For anyone who hasn't read previous posts in this thread, here's a summary of the model: it's scratchbuilt in 1/96 scale, using the 1/250 card model available from Paper Shipwright (http://www.papershipwright.co.uk) as plans, along with contemporary photos, drawings and plans from http://cerberus.com.au. Also many thanks to MW forum members including Dave Wooley and RickF for their information and advice!
The model represents Cerberus in the mid 1880s, with many modifications from its original configuration including a shortened flying deck, single military mast and additional light armament, mainly for defence against torpedo boats.
Researching all of these modifications and incorporating them into the model was quite a task, as the Paper Shipwright kit represents Cerberus "as built" in 1870.

The model is built mainly from styrene sheet and stock, with brass and copper rod/wire used in many places, along with a few (homemade) cast metal fittings, copper anchor chain, PE brass handwheels and a small amount of cotton thread for boat cables and flag halyards. The deck planking is made from Slaters 2mm plank-textured styrene sheet. A few parts - notably the boats and ladders - are modified spares-box items.

It's painted with Revell and Tamiya acrylics. The "black, white and buff" paint scheme is Revell matt Black, White and Ochre, hull below the waterline is Tamiya NATO Brown, and the deck is Revell Stone Grey (not grey but a very convincing "bleached teak" off-white colour). Craft acrylic paint and Citadel/Games Workshop metallic paints were used for drybrushing and weathering, along with oil washes to represent rust (on the anchor chains, etc.) and highlight deck planks.

I kept the weathering fairly minimal, and restricted mostly to the hull sides, as this ship never saw action and was the flagship of the Victorian Fleet until the 1900s, it would surely have been very well maintained. Other than soot around the top of the funnel, and a few touches of rust around the anchors and deck fittings, weathering from the deck upwards is limited to a very light dry-brush of pale grey on the superstructure and fittings. This isn't so much represent weathering as to bring out surface detail and give a less "flat" appearance.

The model still has no figures, but I will be buying some Preiser 1/100 figures soon which will be suitable for conversion to 1/96 naval crew.


Anyway, here are the photos, starting with overall views:

Two views of the ship from different sides (the completely symmetrical design makes it hard to immediately tell which is which! I had to draw large arrows on the deck and superstructure whilst building the model, in case I inadvertently glued a fitting on the wrong end)
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Close-ups of the bow and stern.
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A side view and an "eye level" view at the bow. Note that I built the hull to a depth of about 1m below the waterline, so it isn't a true waterline model.
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I built the model to dismantle into its component parts. This was to give access to the hull interior, as I originally intended to build this as a radio-controlled working model - but it is still useful when transporting the model to shows/meetings etc. and makes it a bit less vulnerable to damage.
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Close-up views:

Bow. Many small fittings are visible here including the capstan which is a metal casting I made from a scratchbuilt styrene master. The master was made from a stack of thick cylinders (scrap washers), tapering towards the middle, then filed to give a smooth curve, vertical ribs were added from very fine Evergreen strip. Bollards, bitts etc. are all made from styrene though I have made moulds of all of them to cast copies.
The handwheel (etched brass) in front of the superstructure is the handle for one of the pumps. The 3 small objects in a line forward of this are the locating holes for the pump shaft, which was stowed when not in use.

The skylight (oval object forward of the capstan) normally had a distinctive faceted glass cover, due to the difficulty of scratchbuilding this I instead built it with the wooden cover fitted when the ship was cleared for action (to avoid the danger of broken glass fragments). All the skylights, along with the aft companionway, are in armoured housings raised about 3" above the deck level, as the ship's low freeboard means the main deck is usually awash in a seaway.

The railing stanchions are made from brass wire, with very fine tinned copper wire used to represent the chain. This is bent to give a realistic "sagged" appearance. It looks reasonable, IMHO, but I may try and use fine jewellery chain in future instead of wire.
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Central superstructure/armoured breastwork and flying deck. The ladders from the main deck to the breastwork deck are spares-box items, heavily modified, with railings from brass wire. Supporting girders for the flying deck are styrene sheet with holes drilled using a Dremel. The circular objects on the breastwork deck are coaling hatches, made from styrene washers sanded to shape.
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This photo gives a good view of the flying deck and also two of the ship's boats on their davits. These were kitbashed from spare boats originally from Airfix sailing ship kits, they may not be totally accurate for a mid-late 19th century warship but look OK to me. Davits are made from styrene and brass, and the ropes/cables are cotton thread.
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Stern. As with the bow there are many small fittings here, including the compass (not a binnacle). This was originally mounted on a wooden platform between the two skylights, but was moved further aft when a companionway hatch was later added in this position. Like the capstan and a few other fittings, the compass is a metal casting made from a scratchbuilt styrene master. Between the two skylights (covered as with the forward one) is the companionway hatch, similarly raised above the deck to prevent flooding.
The large rectangular object at the end of the deck is the rudder/propeller access hatch. Aft of this is the flag jackstaff which is a brass pin, completely unmodified other than being painted black!
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Detail close-ups:

Anchors are scratchbuilt from styrene, mostly square rod and thick sheet offcuts carved to shape. The chains are copper chain bought from a model boat supplier, treated with chemical blackener. There are three main anchors - two forward, one aft - and a smaller sheet anchor aft.
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Fore and aft 10" turrets. These are made from styrene sheet with the base cut out using a compass cutter, fittings are made from styrene stock. The guns themselves are simple tubes, as only the muzzles are visible. If I were to build full interiors for the turrets, I'd have turned a single gun from metal as a master and then cast copies.
Visible in the first photo is one of the navigation lights, which are made from heavily modified lanterns found in the spares box (possibly originally model railway items) fitted in a housing made from 0.75mm styrene sheet. The "glass" of the lamp is painted first with silver, then with Tamiya transparent red or green.
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Secondary armament consists of two 6-pounder quick-firing guns and four Nordenfelt 1-inch "gatling" guns. These, and their pedestals, are all scratchbuilt from brass and styrene, though I have since made moulds to cast metal copies for future projects. Handwheels are PE items from John R Haynes (as are the wheels on the pumps and searchlights).
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Forward half of the flying deck (see below for close-ups of the guns and bridge fittings). Visible in this photo are the guy ropes for the funnel which are made from fine tinned copper wire (the same material as used for the railings).
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Aft flying deck. From left to right, you can see a small deckhouse which covered a stairway and supported the aft searchlight platform; the single mast with military top (originally positioned higher up, lowered in the 1880s) above a large cowl vent, probably for the engine room; and the armoured conning tower. All of these are built from styrene other than the mast and its supporting strut, made from brass. The single yard on the mast (not visible here) is styrene, as it needed to be carved to give a taper at either end, a lot easier with styrene than brass (even easier with wood, but I have very little experience with this material)
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View of the bridge on the flying deck. (Bridge controls were also fitted in the armoured conning tower, for use in combat). Both the bridge telegraph and binnacle are cast in metal from a scratchbuilt styrene master. The ship's wheel is made from two wheels from plastic N gauge (2mm, 1/144) railway/railroad wagon wheels.
Also visible in this shot is one of the two searchlights on its raised platform. This is made from various bits of styrene, the main cylinders are large plastic washers from the spares box (possibly from the turrets of a 1/350 battleship) and the lenses are a disc of styrene sheet sanded to shape (in future I may try carving or heat-forming clear lenses). Handwheels are PE.
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The gold-painted nameplate on the stern is made from Slaters styrene letters (intended for signs on model railways, these are available in a variety of sizes). The flag is printed from the flag sheet downloadable from Paper Shipwright's website, and is rigged on a cotton halyard.
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If anyone has any questions about construction materials/techniques etc., please ask!


This is my first completed 1/96 scratchbuild but will hopefully not be my last. I've found scratchbuilding in this scale a lot more enjoyable than "smaller" scales like 1/200! I am probably going to stick to building smaller subjects (completed model no more than 3' or at most 4' long) in 1/96, if I build anything larger it will be 1/144 or 1/200.

I'm still working on the minesweeper USS Hazard - I have run into a few problems with this build due to lack of detailed reference material (one thing I have learned: if you want to build a detailed, accurate model from scratch, you NEED detailed, accurate references!) but will keep going with it nevertheless. I will also start work on the late 19th century RN destroyer HMS Velox (from Chatham's book "Early Destroyers" which includes 1/96 plans) and the Dutch monitor "Tijger" (using the Paper Shipwright card model for plans) some time this year, though I want to get the main components of USS Hazard completed first.

by Torpedo » Wed Mar 28, 2007 7:23 am

CERBERUS looks excellent. For the figures, I suggest MZ-Modellbau.net which have lead figures or figures for architecture modells. e.g. Preiser
http://www.preiser-figuren.de/group_vie ... 01c5b.html

by Dave Wooley » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:38 am

Cerberus is looking rather good and I like the idea of making use of parts , ships boats, figures , etc from other models . Will you be mounting the model in a case?
Dave Wooley

by Edward Pinniger » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:08 am

An update at last (this model was getting as neglected as the real ship). After several months, I've finally got started on the three missing areas - anchors, boats and crew. All of these were things I put off for one reason or other whilst building the model (I wasn't sure how to make the anchors, and couldn't find a cheap source of suitable boats and crew figures) and when it was finished I inevitably got sidetracked by other projects.

Here is a photo of Cerberus in its current state (taken in January at the local IPMS club meeting)
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There are three main anchors (two fore, one aft) and a smaller sheet anchor. These will be attached with copper chain which I've blackened using metal blackener solution. I've made an extra one of each type of anchor, to use as a master for casting metal or resin copies - as these are unpainted you can see how I constructed them.

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The anchors are made entirely from styrene stock, the shaft is 2mm square rod and the end is made from 1.5mm thick styrene sheet cut, filed and sanded to shape - the splayed ends are wedges of styrene sheet glued at right-angles and then sanded down. The ring is a thin slice of tube (I should really have used copper/brass ones but didn't have any to hand).
They are painted with matt black, lightly drybrushed with graphite to give a "cast-iron" look, then drybrushed with rusty red-brown. When fitted to the ship they'll receive a final wash of burnt umber to add to the rusty look.

I based these on the ones in the card model - I later found that these are probably not right for the ship in the 1880s as they do not look much like photos of the preserved anchors taken from the Cerberus. (I assume they're an earlier type fitted to the ship when it was built - the card model, which appears to be very well researched, represents the ship "as built" in 1870). Still, they look OK to me.


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For the crew I bought some Slaters 1/100 model railway (3mm/TT scale) figures. Their uniforms and caps are a fairly good match for naval sailors from this era, at least in this relatively small scale. Unfortunately the figures are significantly underscale (a problem with all of Slaters' railway figures) - they're more like 1/110. (Compare them to the Revell 1/96 Kearsarge crewmen on the right). It looks like I will have to look elsewhere for a source of crew for the Cerberus!

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The ship's boats (two cutters and a dinghy) were bought for 50p each at a collector's fair (I've modified and repainted them) - they're from a plastic kit somewhere around 1/96 to 1/120 scale but I don't know what one, possibly the Revell Constitution. The oars are from the spares box, left over from building the Airfix 1/170 Victory - wrong scale but OK for representing smaller oars in 1/96! They boats are painted with Revell and Tamiya acrylics and weathered lightly on the lower hull. Eye bolts have not been added yet.
There are only 3 boats, whilst Cerberus has 6 davits, but if the ship is moored in harbour then the others could be in use or on a boat boom.


Hopefully in the next update, the boats and anchors should be in place on the ship, but I still need to find some crew!

by Edward Pinniger » Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:18 pm

Apologies for the lack of photographs of the completed ship! I've finally (after several years of using an outdated camera with a broken flash) got a new digital camera today, which has much better close-up detail resolution and can can cope much better with poor lighting conditions, so will photograph the virtually-complete Cerberus soon and post the pictures here.

All it's currently missing is ship's boats (already mentioned), anchors (haven't done these yet as I'm not sure the plans in the card kit are accurate - I need to check some of the photos of the real ship) and crew (I was going to use modified
Revell 1/96 figures, but they're not really right for late 19th century naval crew - I'll probably buy some Deans Marine metal figures)

by Roger T » Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:23 am

Love how well the Cerberus is coming on, EP, and those boats of Laurent's are excellent! :thumbs_up_1:

by vedro » Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:40 am

Hi,

this looks very nice. Great job.
Considering tips & tricks I'm looking forward to see them. It could be very helpful :big_grin:

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