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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 5:11 pm 
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Hello Sean,
I assumed they were projectile mated with brass cartridge. In photos you see the projectiles in single verticle racks around each gun and there are wooden boxes nearby, so I thought the cartridges were probable in there. I was a Reservist "Drop Short" - artillery and have used the 105mm American M2A2 gun and the British Hamel gun and they were that kind of set up. Please someone correct me if I am wrong about the V and W guns!. The 3 inch High And gun was a projectile with brass cartridge set up as well.
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I am starting to detail the front superstructure while I wait for the props, shafts and A frames. I am going to spray the part with the railing a dark camo which is actually a primer, put the micro mark rivet decals on and then give it a second coat.
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Love WOW - see you on the high seas, I am on the North American server as you guessed it - englishgunner. I end up buying my ships as I don't get much time to play it. I love trundling about in the Arizona, citadel hitting cruisers and watching them explode. I too am getting through the Destroyermen Series - very gripping.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2018 10:33 pm 
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Will,

Chances are, this could simply boil down to a difference in terminology used; to whit, by "self-contained metallic cartridge" I basically mean what is essentially an up-scaled explosive bullet, used in breech-loading artillery including smaller-caliber naval guns and the main armament of tanks. This being opposed to "bag guns," which required a shell and separate bags of propellant to be rammed home into the breech before the weapon could fire; this is what Japanese destroyers used for most of the history of the Imperial Japanese Navy (and why their guns have crap ROF in World of Warships, heh).

So if what you mean by "projectile mated with brass cartridge" is the same or similar, then I think we've got a better shot (pun intended) at finding answers. I reckon the racks of which you speak represent the ready-access ammunition, with the wooden boxes being stored ammo that would either be used to replenish the ready racks after a short, sharp action, or eventually be broken into by ordnance strikers as a long, drawn-out battle dragged on.

Edit to add: That's brilliant work you've been doing, by the way, and I can only look on with admiration at your efforts. I would love to be able to build, say, a 1/35 scale Fletcher- or Gearing-class destroyer, but sadly, the proper facilities, skills, and money are as far from my grasp as a trip to the Moon.

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Hey Sean,
yep self contained cartridge - I get what you mean. But as you can see in the photo of the Waterhen, the projectiles appear to be stored separately - there are only projectiles in the racks. So what was in the wooden boxes - must be the propellant in the cartridges.
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The guns I used had separate cartridges so you could remove any amount of charge bags as needed given the distance the target was. Get the correct charge and then mate the cartridge to the projectile and load. So where was the ammo mated together - was it already to go from the magazine or as you say were the projectiles on the rack shown for emergencies if the action continued.....
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I am sure a simple search engine search will clear any ambiguity up or a simple question on the V and W Destroyer thread on this site. If you find the answer let me know!
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Thanks for the compliment on the work so far. I really wouldn't want to find out how much I have spent so far. But I feel I am over the hump, just need to get the RC gear...
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I put the final coat of paint on the forward superstructure. I am using simple household spray cans and I did a test spray before applying but when I started it all came out in lumps on the port side. I will just have to put it down to painted over rust.
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US Navy terminology:

Fixed Ammunition: the projectile and the powder casing were mated together as a single unit. Smaller bore rounds were often fixed ammunition. The 20 mm, 40 mm and 3"/50 were fixed ammunition.

Semi-fixed ammunition: the projectile was separate from the powder case. Larger caliber rounds would be too heavy to handle if fixed. The powder case was a brass tube that could carry different powder charges for different ranges. The 5"/38 and 6"/47 were semi-fixed.

Bag ammunition: The projectile is separate from the powder. The powder is in cloth bags. The number of bags varied with the range, elevation, etc. Very large caliber guns often used bag ammunition, but not always. At Jutland the British were using powder in bags and the Germans were using powder in brass cases.

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Thanks Phil,
I am guessing the ammo was semi-fixed, like the guns I was using.
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I am continuing to detail the forward superstructure and am playing around with different tapes to see what to use on the lower and upper bridge canvas coverings. Its amazing to see what a bit of paint and a bit of detailing does to the models progress. The photo really brings out the spattered paint....
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I have been umm and ahhing about what to use for the canvas on the railings for ages and then bit the bullet. I just dont have the time to do as good a job as I have seen other modelers do, so I chose to use Trade Painters masking tape. The photos were my first go at it and yes I could have done better. I will tidy up the inner top railings. fill the upper bride with equipment and I think that once I cover the whole outside with splinter mattresses, it wont look too bad. Tell me what you think or if there is a better way,
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Hi Will, gee I was sure out only saw a close up pic, after seeing the last pic of your Destroyer taken looking down from the gun in placement to the funnels, can see now what you saw those boxes are. WOW you are going great guns , being busy like I have at last I have finished building from the raised deck to shelter cover, am glad that job is out the way, will look a lot better when the whole bow is finished and sanded smooth.

Hard work trying to size the scale from a smaller plan, next ship will have proper plans, on a high.

Is it raining down there, cool MP's down in Canberra, rain coming in this weekend and had to be the weekend we are going away for up to Caloundra, taking the good SLR digital camera this time, she has a very good lens 1440 mm zoom, get some good ship pics

Keep the good work up, you are progressing well.

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Hello again,
I fitted the canvas to the railings on the vickers quad mount and did a much better job of it. I dont know how durable they will be but I have given both sides a few coats of paint so we shall see.
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I had some splinter mattresses 3D printed and am in the process of installing them. I think they have come out very well. Got to go - putting the kids to bed...
Cheers, Will


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Hi Wii, wow you sure did a great job putting that canvas on the gun mounts and what a paint job can do to bring out all the detail, I am not that far away form finishing the first section of my build, have some progress pics to post on my post.

How much more work have do you got to do with detail, the main guns are very impressive, indeed, of course will you have a gun crew loading the guns ready to fire.

Going over to my post post to add the latest update pic, blow you away.

Keep up the great work, can't wait to see the finished model.


Take care Tony.


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Hello again,
I finally bit the bullet and put the hull in the water, at my children's primary school pool. which thankfully is in walking distance. Sure enough there is one small leak, at the keel where it angles up towards the stern. Otherwise she is all watertight. I had a big piece of steel that you see in previous posts to see how much ballast I will need but it didn't make any difference - the hull is going to need alot of ballast to get it to the right level. It was a momentous day for me to get the hull wet. I will never look at a scratchbuilt RC ship the same way - alot of time, effort and patience,
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englishgunner wrote:
Sure enough there is one small leak, at the keel where it angles up towards the stern. Otherwise she is all watertight.


All things considered, that's a solid *win*. Nice job on the mechanics, as well as the aesthetics.

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Hi Will, wow she looks good in the water, that is your son and in the back ground , the trouble with model boats you need a lot of ballast to get here down to the water line, the real ships use water,don't think will work with model boats. Are you going to put in props and power her, a lot of modelers use batteries for weight , good you only had one leak and luck to use your sons school swimming pool.

Did you see on the news tonight the we got a new warship Destroyer named HMAS Brisbane, be a good ship to model.

I am on a high have finished all the bulkheads on the firsts section of my ship what a mile stone indeed , can't close the sides in till I build the superstructure and bridge, starting on it Monday night.

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