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Hi Dave,

When looking for a new project after my Dutch Navy M-class frigate, I came across the Stereguschy. Finally I found something interesting to build so I'll be watching your thread closely . First I have to finish some drawings myself too. Am I the first to say that i don' t like the look of your Daring. What where you thinking when buying this hull man, were you drunk?
But seeing your last projects I'm sure something good will come out of it.

Kind regards,
Pim

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Hi Pim They do say the Daring grows on you!!. Any way I had plans to commence building the Steregushchiy but my work for the "Model Boats" took me in a slightly different direction for now , but it took over 12 months before work commenced on Kiev from when it was first seen on this board and that was five years ago . Once again that was due to the build of the OPV HMS Mersey { for the magazine} and a book ! .But work will start in the not to distant future . At the moment I am deep inside the hanger working in all the pipe work, ventilation, moving gantry crane, electrical boxes, hose reels and dozens of other small items but I could have just closed the door and left it shut! AND for good measure a Merlin HM1 . Then there are two concealed Rib galleries, plenty to drive me crazy in there to. All good practice for work on Project 20380


I'm enjoying work on the inside of the hanger

Dave Wooley

If anyone can do it Dave its you,

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Thanks Ron . I must admit working from inside out is proving to be quite a challenge and is pushing the modelling boundries , at least for me that is . When this small part of the Daring is finished as it has to be so I can move on with the rest of the build I'll run a log as to how i managed to fit out the interior of the hanger .Not quite a "ship in a bottle" task but close and I have learend a few tricks along the way as you do when needs must .
Dave Wooley

I for one am waiting not-too-patiently for the hangar build!

Dear god, you are putting all the internal details in!!
You know Dave, there are people that just keep the doors shut....
I'd love to have the patience that you have with this. But I don't really have much time for it.
Funny this thread started about Stereguschy and it still didn't really start yet.
What running set have you ordered?

Running set ? For the Steregushchiy George Sitik is preparing these . For Daring George Sitik props and running gear again .He is a master of his craft.
Here is the Daring props and running gear in place with the rudders being set in place by the use of a jig .The rudders are not just off set from the line of the shaft but are angled outwards!

Dave Wooley

Hi dave Your 'psotings on the Type 45 model have given me more respect for that ship - lovely hull but I cant understand why they didnt do something to the mast - just looks like a golf ball on a tee. Fascinating and thanks - even if not on STEREGUSCHCHY!! Cheers

Dave P

Hi Dave Thanks, I will be the first to admit when first going aboard Daring there where many features I found difficult to appreciate. In fact Michael Brown TF72 was with me at the time and we both arrived at the same conclusions. However during the course of the build there is much I am learning about this unusual warship, and still learning. One point it is much underestimated. The Hanger area build {my own initiative: heh :} is one of the few parts that allows for some indulgence in scratch building. But one of the big advantages is the build helps me understand more of the features on Steregushchiy particulary the foremast
Sampson Foremast on Daring

Stereguschchiy foremast

Darings progress , although the hanger has obsorbed more time and energy than I care to admit .

Dave Wooley

Hi Dave, Looking good, im in bed at the moment, I went for a full body scan to Warrington today, have to see the specialist on thursday at Clatterbridge.

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I think you need to rename this thread the Daring/Steregushchiy project. Not that I think anyone would mind. To me the Daring looks like her designer grew up watching Dr. Who, and when it came time to design the sensor suites, his mind just naturally went to the shape of a Dalek. Who knows? At any rate, there is something undeniably stately about the Darings to me, mixed in with a little dash of 'alien' and 'robotic,' but that's the Future for you. It's different. If it were the same they'd call it 'The Past.'

Keep us posted on the Hangar effort. I'm most keen to see how you tackle conduits, etc.

Cheers!

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Hi Callen Thanks for your interest it’s appreciated . Although we are very much at different ends of the modeling spectrum we share a common interest, I'm very much in awe at the abilities of the model maker such as yourself working to such fine scales. I had a dear friend sadly long past away who was a master of ships in bottles and a great inspiration to me .One of his passions was the POW bone models and over the years a subject I have taken an interest in .So it's not the scale or the type of ship model that matters only the result but also how you arrive at that result. I agree very much on how you interpret the appearance of Daring it is very appropriate. My interest to developed the hanger space has in part be inspired by "noplate" and his Lusitania engine room diorama .This for me is a real challenge , although part of a larger model it takes me along a slightly different modelling path .It's not a diorama in the classic sense but has required a slightly different way of thinking as the main focus generally for the “ship modeller” is the exterior of the ship as the interior has little appeal or relevance. There are however modellers of large scale warships keen to develop “in some limited form” the hanger spaces . I say limited as this is not a reflection on their abilities only on what they as modellers wish to include given the information and relevance to the subject being modeled. I think modelling should be more than just a hobby but to some extent a challenge , stretching the abilities and importantly the imagination of the modeller .
Dave Wooley

Hi my friend Dave
your project runnings well good
i like the shaft installments
i have purchased runnings from Sitek too.
all the best

I've vowed to make you pay for the delay in this project Mister!

With a head-ache that is.

The second Stereguchiy, Soobrazitelniy, is a little different from Stereguchiy, gotten rid of that Kashtan.... Not sure which VLS came instead though, could be a Kinzhal, which would be a logical replacement for Kashtan, but might also be a Klub VLS, in that case losing most of its self-defense capabilities for more offense. Not sure if the Uran is still behind the bridge, the Klub varient was supposed to have Kizhal there and no AK-630s if I recall correctly.
Anyway this looks like a 12 cell VLS. Difficult to see though. It's definitaly not the land-based Tor M1 derivate launcher which they planned to use some years ago.

She looks better than the original though!

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Hi Roel good to hear from you. Now you are making me feel guilty and I shall start having withdrawal symptoms with such pictures, you are tormenting me:heh: I did notice the VLS on the export version but from a modellers perspective the Kashtan offers more scope. As I mentioned to Pim I am awaiting the arrival of the GAs, which surprisingly I don't have. I have drawing of all parts of the vessel as you have seen in the examples I have posted but I really need a GA. The GA is drawn minus the Kashtan, scope for the inclusion of VLS perhaps. Thanks for posting the pictures
Dave Wooley

Thanks for these two lovely shots NEPTUNE - makes an even lovelier ship withour the KASHTAN Chrsitmas tree which must be a STEALTH nightmare. Cheers David

Hi Dave,

do you mean you need some more stuff on Kashtan? In that case, I did some research as I was making a Kashtan in 1/72 long time ago, never finished it though. However I do have a file, including a scale drawing with front and side view of the Kashtan along with some pictures where you can have a look at the backside of the thing as well. If you want that stuff, just let me know.

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Hi Neptune,

Sent you a PM re the Kashtan research.

Andrew

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Hi Roel Thank you for your kind offer it is much appreciated thankfully I have a reasonable drawing and some pictures but as they say you really never have enough. pictures . I am really itching to have a crack at the Kashtan especially the detail work at the rear of the weapon .


Talking of the VLS I found these pictures of what is the export version but is the Steregushchiy capable of being upgraded using the VLS module .

For model making purposes and for those that do not wish to install the Kashtan it is an alternative .

Moving slightly off subject It has been reported that the Steregushchiy hull design owes more to the krivak than we give credit ,do you consider this speculation or is there any foundation in this reasoning . "underwater shape perhaps"
Krivak 111

Well I would like to start Steregushchiy tomorrow , I even bought is materials and some new tools at the Convention . But keep reminding me as you did with Kiev as I WILL get to build the ship soon.
Dave Wooley

Steregushchy's hull absolutely doesn't bear any resemblence to Krivak's. Not even in proportions. It's shape is a totally new design from the bottom up.

Good to hear you finally saying the words Dave

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