The Ship Model Forum

Tom,

That looks really good - nice details!! Hope it prints. FYI - 1st iteration of the wherry was just ever so much (0.10mm) wider than the kit offering so I'll go back and re-Chitu at 90 width/98% length. That should get it right on size. I did switch to the Model Gray resin and had a tiny opening in the port bow but I don't think that had to do with the resin. Anyhow, a coat of paint should take car of that if I were to use that run of boats (2).

The 20mm R/S Boxes came out better - the boxes were complete, not with rounded bottoms but the loops still didn't print. I may do a couple more with the same orientation, only w/o any supports to the lock down loops and see how that prints.

I haven't checked the kit hose reels yet (very similar to these), but will maybe add those to my 3D design list.

Hank

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HMS III
Mocksville, NC
BB62 vet 68-69

Builder's yard:
USS STODDARD (DD-566) 66-68 1:144, Various Lg Scale FC Directors
Finished:
USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
ROYAL CAROLINE (1748) 1:47
AVS (1768) 1:48

Hank:

You can go inside the boat and pull the hull thickness there a RCH (1/1000 of a bit) as it's pretty thin there. Drying now, printed nicely but not de platformed yet!

Cheers: Tom

Perhaps this shows how "Bolshoi malenka" (tres dinky) these items are.

Tom

Today's design an print: X Reels mounted just aft of the "Castle". Apparently these carried power cables for shore/ship external power. Currently working on the "fire stations" which were mounted along the rails on each side consisting of a manifold and two hose racks each. Lacking a little detail so far on the configuration of the hose racks.

Tom

I coiled the XReels with some slinky beading thread material, a good imitation of the cabling. I also painted and installed one of the two CO2 reels, discovering that the other one was a mirror. Printing now.

Herr Strub III and I will start a small thread on our LSM/R collaboration. He has acquired the 1:144 Revell LSM kit and will convert it to one of the early LSMR’s. Meanwhile I will putz along with small bits and pieces.

so what am I useful for here, I can pretty quickly turn a small item into hardware, Hank is much better at research and fine tuning.

Cheers. Tom

Tom,

Your Cable Reel & Fire Station came out really nice! Good work there!!

OK, sometime later today I'll pull the trigger on a new thread for our LSM & LSM/R builds - probably here (Online Scratchbuild Projects) as your "senior" (already in the works) project is scratch built while mine will be a kit-bash affair.

Hank

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HMS III
Mocksville, NC
BB62 vet 68-69

Builder's yard:
USS STODDARD (DD-566) 66-68 1:144, Various Lg Scale FC Directors
Finished:
USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
ROYAL CAROLINE (1748) 1:47
AVS (1768) 1:48

Haven't drug my (ADZ) downstairs yet (it's early morning) to retrieve the mirrored CO2 Unit print. It would be handy if the 3D design program (Free) that Hank and I use had a mirror feature, but alas and alack, it does not. The 3D slicer, Chitubox does however allow considerable manipulation of the image to be printed. It allows differential scaling to proscribed dimensions, mirroring, re scaling etc. So by combining features we can "git along" OK. Dropbox allows sharing of files and mods back and forth though we work in different scales.

If I was really ambitious I would design and print the plethora of APA winches, but at this point such a job would be nearly impossible because of all the installed boats and rigging. These projects take long enough that both our abilities and available materials and techniques can progress. Mmmmm Base and case? Procrastination resides here though I have a very well equipped woodshop.

Tomorrow NAVSOURCE will post a bunch of photos I contributed concerning my (probably) next project, ARL 12 USS Poseidon.

Cheers: Tom

David:

Thank you but I have the large set of FDD ARL plans plus a bunch of original wartime photos from aboard. Friday some of those will be posted in the NAVSOURCE update. Do your plans have any hull lines? This seems to be a state secret or something for LST hulls! Apparently FDD does have some hull lines which they sell separately. I should have ordered the hull lines at the same time to save shipping.

Tom

David:

Thank you for the drawings, the lines will help me fair the bow and stern sections. Sphinx looks to be in Vietnam war fit possibly, as wartime (WWII) the ships merely had a pole mast. I fortunately have a good collection of onboard wartime photos which help flesh out what the drawings don't tell us.

Cheers: Tom

I printed out several "fire stations" each of which consisted of a riser with several hydrants on the tree and an associated hose rack on each side. These were mounted by the inner rail on the superstructure deck, fore, aft, port and starboard. Also added on the forecastle the range and steering light masts. Again, parts that can be described as tres tres dinky (Bolshoi Malenka). Modern usage paints these hydrants RED, as to WWII practice, not sure. Have to build and find a spot for the fog nozzles.

Officer's mess and bunk room had a table with six seats, and two sets of three high bunks. Enlisted guys had four high bunks.

Tom

The LSM "Fire stations" were located on the interior life lines above the Tank Deck. All appeared to be identical in orientation. The riser was in the middle and there were two hose racks, one on either side. Here is one still on the "tree" be before being (Hot term) deplatformed. The "Rapid Black" resin give good accuatance (sharpness of corners) but in thin sections is a bit translucent. I currently have the two forward ones installed with the risers painted red (not sure this is correct). Rack frames painted to match the hull, hose a dirty white, mixture of white a a snitch of Burnt Sienna (it's what I had).

Tom

Tom,

Those look good!!! Waiting on another reply regarding the paint scheme etc.

I've left you a voice msg. re. our log, etc. (-8pm, EST).

Hank

_________________
HMS III
Mocksville, NC
BB62 vet 68-69

Builder's yard:
USS STODDARD (DD-566) 66-68 1:144, Various Lg Scale FC Directors
Finished:
USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
ROYAL CAROLINE (1748) 1:47
AVS (1768) 1:48

I painted and installed the "Fire Stations" located on the superstructure deck of the LSM. I suggest that for those who might be interested in these small ships you check out the LSM Manual, available on NAVSOURCE. The fire Bill chapter is quite extensive. These ships had each outlet from the tree with a separate hose rack listed as a fire station, making eight on the superstructure deck. Additionally the ships had variously, CO2, foam and sprinklers located as appropriate. I have not yet divined the external form of the tank deck fire outlets, though the diagrams show their location. It remains an open question as to whether the risers were painted red, or to match the ships scheme. Several theories are in play and currently I have the one with the remotest possibility, the forward sets painted red and the aft ones gray. The hoses are presently colored with a dirty white wash, though possibility exists that hoses can be dyed (not painted).

As time goes on, various previous details to remove and replace. A nice closeup of an aft port Orlikon shows the lead computing sight and the STS apron protecting the associated equipment. Currently I have a solid pedestal 20 mm with the elevating crank, and open sights.

It appears that the surest way to have more info appear is to build and install some item!

Tom

As I have revised and replaced so many parts with updates, I have taken to attaching them with PVA rather than CA. After some investigation into the many ways that the stern anchor cables are run, I deiced to go with the over the deck cable. JC MCKay on his winch had a wedge shaped base extension to tilt the winch up to run it over the deck and I am experimenting with this setup. It goes with the anchor bracing style that I am using. I installed printed stern rungs but am printing new ones, a little narrower and will mover them closer to the anchor brackets. Easy enough to obliterate them...

I finally found several NAVSOURCE photos that included the fire stations and mine came out pretty good. The depth style charge item turns out to be jettisonable gasoline drum.

Only skinny sailors (the Pacific Norm) could squeeze their way around the decks! To add to the clutter, indeed tripods were often strewn in available spots for 50 cal BMG's. One ship had a clever but homemade curvy shield for the 50.

Tom

Yes, my dad was a 20 year old Ensign in 1945.

Information slowly comes to the fore, I have to respect the dedication of those who excel at this.

The LSM's apparently (term meaning who know's) had two stern anchor bracket configuration, determining how the cable fed to the winch. Insies and outsies, whether or not the cable ran over or under the stern superstructure deck. JC Mc on one of his models shows a wedge shaped supper extension for the stern winch, which increases the elevation of the winch to feed the cable over the deck. So I added a wedgie to my winch.


This fed through a double pulley arrangement which ran the anchor cable between the pulleys for good control. I constructed this device as best I could to add to the stern.



Cheers: Tom

Wah Hail...

Everything gets changed at least once. This time the anchor assembly improved with more info available.



Tom

Minor change out... Looking at more clear photos , I adjudged the gas drum was mounted on a taller stand. Supposedly there was a longish handle for releasing overboard. I don't have any info on it currently.

Anyway here it is at 1:133.



Tom

The LSM's accompanied the picket destroyers off Okinawa during the kamikaze threat. Not only were the picket destroyers a target, the LSM's became so as well. As an expedient 50 BMG heavy machine guns were aded along the superstructure deck under the theory it might be good for crew morale to have more noise makers. Some were just mounted on rather ad hoc tripods, some were fitted with long, narrow curved shields and shoulder cradles similar to those on the Orlikons. A large box was fitted in front of the shield for linked ammo and smaller ready boxes located nearby.



A first print in 1:133.

Tom

Tom,

Those look really good - so, does this means you're changing your name to Machine Gun Falley???

Sorry, I couldn't resist!!

Hank

_________________
HMS III
Mocksville, NC
BB62 vet 68-69

Builder's yard:
USS STODDARD (DD-566) 66-68 1:144, Various Lg Scale FC Directors
Finished:
USS NEW JERSEY (BB-62) 67-69 1:200
USN Sloop/Ship PEACOCK (1813) 1:48
ROYAL CAROLINE (1748) 1:47
AVS (1768) 1:48