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PostPosted: Tue Dec 30, 2014 8:02 pm 
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Conning tower work continues. The Navigating Bridge (with Pilot House up front) is now on top. Two more levels upwards to go.


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File comment: Plans and photos indicate that on the real ship most of the portholes ("airports") are 12" in diameter. The portholes on the entirety of the Navigating Bridge level are much larger, appearing to be 16" diameter. Portholes on some areas of the hull, primarily within the boat bays and along most, but not all, of the gallery deck aft, are also 16".
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File comment: Photos confirm that on the actual ship, portholes on the hull do NOT have rigols (eyebrows). Although they look very good, the Trumpeter kit erroneously has them on the hull.
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I hate you. And I mean that in the nicest way possible.

That is incredible work.

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Thanks, Martin!

Actually it's all your fault, and Jim Russell's.

Martin’s Lexington:
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Jim's Saratoga: http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/cv/cv-02/350-mq/mq-index.html

I've been gathering information to scratch a 1/350 RMS Queen Mary, 1936. The skills needed for that one will push the envelope for me. But what a subject.


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File comment: Martin's exceptional USS Saratoga CV-3 as she appeared about 1936-1937. Truly inspirational stuff.
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Flag Bridge (above the Navigating Bridge) and Air Defense Bridge (highest level) coming together.


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File comment: The flat roof-like deck on top is the highest level of the Island. It is the AA Defense Bridge. The small box aft with the single porthole on its forward face is the AA Plot Room. Ahead of that will be a Mk. 37 Director with its cylindrical base surrounded by Sky Lookouts and Target Designators.
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File comment: The boxy structure hanging out over the Pilot House is a Radio Direction Finder Station. The platform extending aft away from the Island at the Navigating Bridge level is a Compass Platform. Extending further aft from the Compass Platform is a catwalk which will lead to the funnel.
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File comment: The boxy level between the Air Defense Bridge and the Pilot House, seemingly devoid of portholes on the starboard side, is the Flag Bridge. It contains (fore-to-aft) the Flag Plot Room, a Radio Room, and aft side-by-side, "Radar I" and Emergency Stateroom.
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File comment: The deckhouse at the Flight Deck level extending forward from the Island will carry a twin 5-inch/38-caliber turret, properly known as "5-inch Mount #6". Mounts #1-4 were single 5" mounts located on forward hull sponsons, one of which appears in this photo (for Mounts #1 and #3 and a position for a quad 40mm Bofors mount). Mount #5 is another twin 5-inch mount immediately forward of Mount #6 at Flight Deck level.
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File comment: Compared to modern carriers, the Island is well forward.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 11:59 am 
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What a terrific model your building. I'm sorry I am late to the party.
This is now bookmarked. I will be looking forward to your progress. :thumbs_up_1:

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Thank you, very much, Paul!

Here are some photos of the uptake casing placed on the flight deck. Around the casing will be built the funnel. The casing replicates the real ship's four enormous boiler uptakes (the words "uptakes" and "smoke pipes" are both used in the Navy plans). It is essentially a compartmentalized box made from 0.040" Evergreen V-groove sheet styrene. The thickness provides the funnel with internal strength and stiffness while the V-groove helps with alignment.

The four, large rectangular openings at the top are the uptake exhausts and will be open with visible interiors when the funnel is complete. Therefore, the smooth side of the V-groove is used to form each of the four uptakes' interior. The grooves will all be hidden once the funnel is built up. The pencil marks on the casing exterior show the path of the uptakes.

The model is starting to be recognizable as Saratoga.


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Building the conning tower and funnel continues.

Splinter shielding has been added to the various conning tower decks. A venturi (wind deflector) will be added to two of the bridge decks soon.

The funnel is under construction around the uptake casing. The circular structure on the funnel's forward side is a quad 40mm Bofors mount tub. The mount's director will be placed in a small tub on top of the boxy structure seen here aft of the Bofors tub.


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File comment: The funnel's forward facing rake (slope) seen in this photo is an optical distortion caused by the camera. The model funnel's true rake is not nearly as severe as it appears here.
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File comment: The small, slightly elevated tub forward will mount a small range finder.
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Outstanding! Love how you made the uptakes and build the outer funnel around them, like the real thing.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:42 am 
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Thanks, Martin! I'm really enjoying your CVA-11 build.

Here are some photos of CV-3 overall, so far. The conning tower, flight deck and funnel are not yet fixed to the hull, just put in place for photo purposes. The model is now unmistakably USS Saratoga.


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Thanks, Matt!

Work on the Funnel and its platforms continues.


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File comment: Starboard Side.
<- Aft.....Forward ->
The resin Mk.37 Director and the resin Twin 5-inch Mount are by L'Arsenal. The two resin Mk.37 Directors to be fit on the model will have to be modified; Saratoga mounted angle-back directors, not the flat-back directors as seen here. The vertical portions of the splinter shielding have been installed. Their curved tops will be added later. The funnel top is incomplete.

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File comment: The heavy platform bracing has been installed. Additional, lighter bracing and searchlight maintenance platforms will be installed later.
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File comment: The tubular platform support columns extend through the structure to the lowest funnel deck (at flight deck level) and can be seen through the hatch opening.
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File comment: Port Side.
<- Forward.....Aft ->

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Some overall views so far. Work on the funnel continues.

The conning tower, funnel and flight deck are not yet fixed to the hull. The resin Twin 5-inch Mount and resin Mk.37 Fire Control Directors are by L'Arsenal and likewise are not yet fixed. As mentioned in the post above, the resin directors will be modified. The L'Arsenal directors are of the latter flat-back type and Saratoga carried the earlier angle-back Mk.37s.

Work on the incomplete funnel top is the present focus. The funnel uptake exhaust grills ("Grand Arches") on the actual ship are much more complex than depicted by Fujimi, Trumpeter and Tamiya kits. I'll do my best to replicate their very interesting, 3D appearance.


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Thank you, Martin and JT!

Taking a break from the conning tower and funnel, turning to heavy AA gun positions, here are some photos of initial work done on the 5-inch single mounts' and all but four of the quad 40mm Bofors mounts' positions. (Additionally, there are two twin 40mm Bofors tubs not yet fabricated.)

For the AA positions arrayed within the ship's former boat bays, I've begun fabricating these multi-level structures as inserts. Although not yet complete, the major structures, composed mostly of 40mm ammunition clipping rooms and vents on the actual ship, are visible.

The splinter shielding, not yet complete, is composed of 0.010" styrene strip. It will receive outboard vertical stiffeners later and the tubs will receive supporting girders/trusses where indicated in plans and photos.

Note also that the portholes on the bulkheads at the back of the bays are shown quite large in plans and photos so I have assumed them to be standard 16" ports. By comparison, the portholes in photos and plans along the hull's shell plating are probably the smaller 12" standard US Navy ports so I have sized them accordingly.


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File comment: Here are the major components ready for assembly.
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File comment: Bulkhead backs cemented in place and upper levels set in place (but not yet cemented).
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File comment: Here's how the inserts look placed into their respective boat bays.
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File comment: Aft 5-inch and Bofors platforms are located at a level equivalent with what would be the gallery deck on later carriers. This siting of 5-inch mounts is quite high compared to later classes (Yorktown and Essex). When the AA guns are set in place, their tops will be nearly flush with the flight deck. It would be interesting to know whether this height made crewmen and aircraft on the flight deck vulnerable to blast effects from mounts sited here, and mounts vulnerable to damage from aircraft accidents. Various publications indicate that these damage vulnerability problems were among the considerations in the siting of 5-inch mounts well below flight deck level in Midway class ships. In the Yorktown and Essex classes, the flight deck was a deck higher than Saratoga's flight deck, and the 5-inch single mounts were sited a deck lower than the gallery deck.
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File comment: Starboard side. The three Bofors tubs at the base of the funnel are now in place.
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File comment: An overall view of the port side. The flight deck is not yet cemented in position nor are the conning tower and funnel.
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So who are you selling the masters to, so the rest of us can build this puppy? :heh:

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Thanks, Martin!

MartinJQuinn wrote:
So who are you selling the masters to, so the rest of us can build this puppy? :heh:

Tempting to do so and I am open to the idea. Let's explore this.

The conning tower and funnel are now too detailed to cast from as masters. I could make a new funnel without the platforms installed, and a new conning tower, both intended specifically for mold-making.

The hull, on the other hand, was intended from the beginning to be built as a styrene master specifically to cast resin copies from. I felt that a plank-on-frame styrene hull this size would be too fragile over time and susceptible to popped seams - damage difficult to fix. Completing the model using a resin hull would solve the seams problem, and the model would prove more resistant to rough handling during construction and painting.

A mold of the hull hasn't been made yet; I ran into project-killing quality issues with the resin and mold making rubbers, products I have used in the past with success. These problems stopped my casting cold :doh_1: .

A mold of this hull (and flight deck and possibly the boat bay inserts) could easily be made and copies cast in resin if I had the right materials. With better mold rubbers and resin compounds I could do it, or have a quality caster do it (outsourcing cost, of course, is a huge consideration).

That would give you, and any others interested, a 1944 Saratoga :cool_2: . Any thoughts or advice?

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Steve,

She looks amazing, I wish I had your skill! :worship_1: :worship_1:

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Wow... no words, I also wish I had such skill. Everything very beautiful and sharp!

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Sweet stuff, Steve! :thumbs_up_1:

A '44 Sara would be seriously cool.....

Question.....how are you going to make the flight deck tie down strips? I've been wondering that since your flight deck update!

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