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Thank you, Martin, Abram, hypno7, Bob and Kamil!

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Question.....how are you going to make the flight deck tie down strips? I've been wondering that since your flight deck update! Bob

No worries, Bob. Thankfully for this model, flight deck tie down strips are a feature of later classes. Lexington class ships had tie down points, similar to what we see on modern US Navy carriers, but much smaller. So small, in fact, that they are nearly invisible in photographs and too small, IMHO, to be seen in this scale with the naked eye.

Work on the funnel cap continues. Uptake partitions are not yet installed and there is one last platform yet to fabricate and install at the top of the funnel at the aft end.


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File comment: The funnel cap has the arched shape of the cap on the real ship. The uptake exhausts are correctly "lipped". The uptakes still lack interior partitions and exhausts lack the grilled "grand arches" of the real ship but they will come. The rounded tops of the splinter shields and the bridge venturis have yet to be fabricated. Soon, though.
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File comment: Tracy White photo (thanks, Tracy!). The SK radar visible on the platform at the top of the forward face of the funnel dates this photo to 1942 or 1943. By late 1944, the rectangular SK "bed spring" radar will be moved from this position to the foremast and a smaller, circular-dished SM-1 radar will be located here. Unlike the SK, the SM-1 radar dish had the advantage of being able to search directly up - a distinct and important capability with respect to dive bomber and Kamikaze threats.
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File comment: Port side. Small, grilled vents have been fabricated along the bottom of the funnel cap, a conspicuous feature missing from most plastic kits of Lexington class ships.
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File comment: Starboard side.
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File comment: The open uptakes extend through the funnel to the flight deck. The open hatch near the funnel cap is backed with an appropriate interior deck and bulkheads and is not open to the uptakes. The rectangular opening on the flight deck near the aft end of the funnel is the opening for the ship's torpedo elevator. It will get a suitable hatch later.
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File comment: Work on the two remaining quad Bofors platforms has begun. The penciled larger circles are the Bofors tubs. The smaller circles mark the locations of future director tubs. The gentle curves of each platform are where the platforms conform to the side of the hull.
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File comment: Here's where those Bofors platforms go, on hull sponsons right up near the bow. Cutouts, seen in the flight deck, will be cut into the hull soon. The sponson's rearward extension is a paravane platform. There is another mirrored on the starboard side sponson identical in shape. There are just two more Bofors platforms to construct: two twin mounts were positioned in individual tubs on the port side of the ship forward of the boat bays.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 8:21 am 
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Hi Steve!
It's amazing ! I want to learn your skill.
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That is one amazingly fine piece of work you have going on there. Keep it coming!

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:18 pm 
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Coming along nicely Steve, the flight deck is especially a tour de force!

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Nice! you really have an eye for detail. Look forward to seeing this develop.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 8:34 pm 
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Thank you, very much, Song, Matt, Tom and Mick! I appreciate all the encouragement.

Here are some photos of the funnel with a bit more detailing done and uptake partitions installed.

Photoetch rails have been installed on the searchlight platform. I struggle with curved photoetch sections and these need a bit of smoothing yet.


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File comment: Port side from aft. Horizontal butt straps along the funnel sides have been installed. They are a bit heavy yet but will be scraped thin to bring them to a more scale thickness.
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File comment: Port side from forward.
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File comment: Starboard side from forward. At the top of the forward edge of the funnel cap is a platform with a large cylinder with disc on top. It is the base of a future SM radar.
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File comment: Port side overall view. Funnel, conning tower and flight deck set in place (but not yet cemented).
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File comment: Starboard side. Oops! A platform inside the former boat bay has fallen. No worries, nothing is cemented in place yet. The hull still needs some work but it's getting there.
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Amazing how small the carrier bridges were, about the same size as a Fletcher class destroyer! But then the CVL's went really minimalist! the deck is quite impressive, and will look even better whence painted.

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This keeps getting better and better. What a big, beautiful beast Sara was!

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 9:00 pm 
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Thanks, Tom and Martin! And the bridge sure is small for such a huge ship. I placed the conning tower you see here next to a 1/350 Essex class Yorktown island and surprisingly, the Essex island's pilot house is even smaller.

Some more detailing was accomplished this weekend.


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File comment: Port side. The tops of several of the conning tower's splinter shields have been installed. They curve outward. There are also a bunch of boxy details added to the sides of the conning tower, the lowest level of the funnel, the interior of the air defense bridge splinter shields (top conning tower level), and the forward face of the Mk.37 director base, all consistent with photos.
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File comment: The SM radar has been roughed out and installed on the pedestal on the forward top of the funnel. Some more details to the radar mount will be added soon. The dish is a Gold Medal Models SP radar dish left over from Loren's Essex set. Loren's SP dish looks identical to the SM dish that appears in photos of Saratoga. As you may know, the SP radar was a lighter weight derivative of the very heavy SM radar. Records indicate that the SM was so heavy, it was only mounted on fleet carriers. The aft mast is a bit bent. Got to fix that. The funnel's horizontal butt straps are thinner now but a bit more thinning is necessary.
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File comment: Starboard side. Four vents just under the funnel cap appear well in this photo and the next. Notice how the shadows under the cap increase towards the front and aft ends of the cap. This is because the funnel is rather narrow at the ends and a bit bulged in the middle. It is narrowest at the forward end. The sides of the funnel cap, however, are parallel. The bridge venturi's have not yet been fabricated. Soon, though. They are such conspicuous features of Saratoga. I'm looking forward to making and installing them. They will be a challenge to get to look right.
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File comment: Port side. After the funnel is painted, I'll install "grand arches" over the the uptake exhausts. Those features should really make the funnel cap pop.
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File comment: Just above the pilot house is a small boxy structure with a tiny platform jutting forward from it flush with the port side. The boxy structure is a "Radio Direction Finding Station" according to plans. The tiny platform is where a "Signal and Homing Light" will rest.
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File comment: The Air Defense Bridge in 1942. Notice the spotters' chairs. NARA photo via Tracy White.
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File comment: The funnel cap in 1942. Notice the earlier SK radar which would be moved to the foremast and replaced here with an SM radar in 1944. NARA photo via Tracy White.
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Really looking great and dare I say, ambitious! :big_grin:


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Wow~! This is such a GREAT thread! I have learned very much Steve....I appreciate all of your commentary as well!!

EXCELLENT!

Keep it coming please! Best regards, Tim


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Thank you, EJ and Tim! Your work has been an inspiration to me.

More detailing done to the conning tower. The venturis and splinter shield vertical reinforcing ribs have been roughed in. They still need some tweaking but look good so far.

Saratoga in 1944 had venturis on two levels of the conning tower. 1) The venturi on the flag bridge above the pilot house was rather plain. 2) The venturi forward of the pilot house was an elaborate design consisting of a simple venturi placed above a wind splitter of several compound curves.


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File comment: Port side. Photos of the ship during its 1944 refit show that the vertical reinforcing ribs on the splinter shielding are uniformly spaced on the navigating bridge level (pilot house level) but not along the splinter shielding of the two levels above. The rectangular cutout in the flight deck is the bomb elevator opening. The cross-deck strip with two grooves appearing as a set of three wide planks replicates the crash barrier's metal strip with two parallel recesses for the crash barrier's cables. Looking into the open hatches under the twin 5-inch/38 mount, interior bulkheads, oriented radially from the interior barbette, and scuttles are visible.
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File comment: The complex shape of the two-part venturi forward of the pilot house can be seen well in this photo. Notice that both venturis are open. The flight deck planking shows up well in this photo. Another crash barrier strip appears here, located at the base of the funnel, complete with parallel cable recesses, extending cross-deck.
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File comment: Some of the supporting structure under the decks can be seen here. Looking under the SM Radar Platform extending forward from the funnel cap, the platform's supporting structure is visible, all consistent with photos.
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File comment: Starboard side. Photos and plans of the conning tower show that features such as porthole placement, hatch locations, and splinter shield ribbing are not the same from port to starboard. The conning tower is generally symmetrical in shape but not in detail.
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File comment: The SM radar dish is a Gold Medal Models SP radar dish that perfectly matches photos of Saratoga's SM dish. The dish is composed of four PE parts. The GMM part comes from GMM's Essex set. An SC-3 radar screen is needed to install on a mount at the aft end of the top of the funnel cap. I'll need to procure one as I used the GMM SC screen on a model of USS Yorktown. Hoping to find a spare SC in the stash somewhere...
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File comment: The real deal in 1944. Photo from "USS Saratoga Squadron at Sea", pg. 136, by David Doyle, attributed to The Floating Drydock. A great resource and highly recommended. If you are building a model of Saratoga at any time during her career, know that this book is a treasure trove of great photos, many provided by Tracy White and The Floating Drydock.
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Nothing but excellence! No surprise coming from you! Cheers! :wave_1: :wave_1:


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Really great looking Steve. The 5" twin on the level above the flight deck has a rotating base that looks as it might be too small and not properly placed. I presume that give your experience and thoroughness that it is just sitting there to see generally how it looks and not attached.

Nice work in the 1:350 scale. At lest there is a good selection of available items in this scale should you choose.

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Thank you, Jean and Tom!

Fliger747 wrote:
Really great looking Steve. The 5" twin on the level above the flight deck has a rotating base that looks as it might be too small and not properly placed. I presume that give your experience and thoroughness that it is just sitting there to see generally how it looks and not attached. Tom

Good eye! Yes, you are absolutely correct, the L'Arsenal resin Twin 5" Mount's base is too small and not properly located under the gunhouse (it should be a bit more forward). For better accuracy, it will have to be modified.

As you also correctly surmised, it is in place here for photographic purposes and is not yet cemented. Despite the base, I do like the look of the L'Arsenal gunhouse. Veteran's mounts also look good in photos although I have not seen one in hand.

Thoughts?

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Geez that pilot house looks small! An Essex is just about the same size as a round bridge Fletcher.

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MartinJQuinn wrote:
What a big, beautiful beast Sara was!



I've always liked that humongous funnel, very, very unique to Lex and Sara. Beautiful scratch building techniques :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: it keeps getting better and better!




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PostPosted: Wed Mar 04, 2015 10:39 am 
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Thank you, Tom and Jose!

It is amazing how big Sara's funnel was, especially compared to that of an Essex class carrier.

For fun, compare these three dramatically different 1/350 scale work-in-progress islands, Saratoga, Yorktown (Trumpeter) and Enterprise (Tamiya).


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Great comparison! Memories are terrible things, I do remember the bridge of the Oriskany, as I was given the helm transiting Rich Passage out of PSNS, having a round front like a early Fletcher, and about the same size. The carriers were always tight for superstructure volume, especially with all the space devoted to the uptakes. Wouldn't be the first time I remembered wrong!

Looks really good, a scratch tour de force. Randy did some really great work on his 1:200 Trumpy MO fabricating a director tub from .003" brass shim stock, the scale thinness of the brass is notable, at the risk of making the other bulwarks and shields look clunky.

I particularly like all of your open w/t doors.

Cheers. Tom


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