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PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2016 2:32 pm 
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good hull Aop :wave_1: :thumbs_up_1:


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DavidP wrote:

Thank you for the links, David! Those are very helpful! I should have found them way earlier, so many questions wouldn't need to be asked. So, it is still OK that I could imagine the Lion to be the last ship that had the aircrafts removed, some time in 1945. So, the blue patch and turrets camouflage could be done, then!
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good hull Aop :wave_1: :thumbs_up_1:

Oh Norberto, my skill is just a couple of thousand miles lower than you! Anyway thank you!
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Thanks to EJFoeth and DavidP. Now I have some ideas of what to paint her. :thumbs_up_1:
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Hi guys,
I am designing the Lion's upper superstructure (from platform no.2 upwards) and thought about how I would build this part on my build. I think making shields on the rims of the decks (what is the specific name for this, if any?) from styrene sheets look a bit too thick. Marijn Van Gils and some others use brass shim and they look really great. Should I go with that, and if so how thick should the shim be at this scale (1/350)? Any suggestions?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 4:59 am 
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There are several options for the splinter shields. Brass strip is very thin but requires some folding exercise to get right (so good to try that). RichardP used paper (viewtopic.php?f=59&t=159885). I used 0.25mm thick styrene strip; for 1/350 that's ok, would not use it for 1:700 tought. The disadvantage of brass is that you need CA to glue it and it's more difficult to correct alignment errors. If you handle the model a lot, most shields tend to break (after a while)... If you want to add the top lip to the shield, brass is probably the least easy method.


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Thanks for the help again, EJ. I will look into thin plastic sheets first, then. I actually have a small stock of 0.3 thick styrene sheets. 0.05mm difference is not too much, so I'll use what I have then. At least I feel good that I have the material without needing to buy new ones!

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A small update on the hull. Some more planking done. We also added 0.5mm plates to both sides of the rudder skeg. The profile plate is 0.5 thick, so the skeg is now 1.5mm thick; about the same as Tamiya PoW's. Next, we are going to glue one big plastic plate to the bottom of the hull where it is flat. Here is a photo showing her as of now:
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We really like the dirty sanded surface! Maybe we're too excited, but this is our first scratch-build hull :big_grin:
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Here is the latest camouflage I made. Blue hull patch and turrets.
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I still don't know if the Y turret director should be painted blue as well or not.

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Roofs of the secondaries too :smallsmile:

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Note that there's some equipment on the turret roof that is not blue, so I guess the director can stay in the hull color.


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Thanks! I think this will be quite an interesting camouflage for my model. Also not breaking the hull lines as well.
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trim your angle cuts for a tighter fit, less holes & less filler. I thought you where doing an early war version of the lion?


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DavidP wrote:
trim your angle cuts for a tighter fit, less holes & less filler. I thought you where doing an early war version of the lion?

Yes I intended to model her in early war config, but I also want to put a camouflage on it as well. A camouflage that will not break her hull lines and blend her into the KGVs, which are quite similar from a distance/glance. Still, maybe I might paint her overall grey, so as to make her truly early-war. Then I could later consider building another sister, Temeraire in a late-war camo plus modifications... Anyway we'll see. Thanks for the tips too!

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that is what I'm doing with my Revell 1/429 scale modified Arizona hulls to make all the classes of the OBB from the Arkansas to the Colorado's during different time periods of the war. an example is the Pennsylvania & Nevada at the end of the war with the Arizona & Oklahoma at the start of the war.


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Hi Aop & Aur,
You are doing great! I like the colour scheme you've chosen as well.
I'm not sure if you've come across this painting before but there is an artist Frederick W. Bumford (active 1979–1986) who has painted the four of the HMS Thunderers built from history including 1781; 1877; 1912 but he also painted the lion class HMS Thunderer that was the fourth lion class that of course was never built. He painted this in 1986 but it is interesting because it's an artists impression of what she may have looked like at sea...
Thought you might like to have a look at it.

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http://artuk.org/discover/artists/bumford-frederick-w-active-19791986
The HMS Thunderer series are on display at the Britannia Royal Naval College.

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DavidP wrote:
that is what I'm doing with my Revell 1/429 scale modified Arizona hulls to make all the classes of the OBB from the Arkansas to the Colorado's during different time periods of the war. an example is the Pennsylvania & Nevada at the end of the war with the Arizona & Oklahoma at the start of the war.

Yes, I think it is not interesting to model the ships in class the very same period, or very same camouflages/appearances.
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Hi Aop & Aur,
You are doing great! I like the colour scheme you've chosen as well.
I'm not sure if you've come across this painting before but there is an artist Frederick W. Bumford (active 1979–1986) who has painted the four of the HMS Thunderers built from history including 1781; 1877; 1912 but he also painted the lion class HMS Thunderer that was the fourth lion class that of course was never built. He painted this in 1986 but it is interesting because it's an artists impression of what she may have looked like at sea...
Thought you might like to have a look at it.

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http://artuk.org/discover/artists/bumford-frederick-w-active-19791986
The HMS Thunderer series are on display at the Britannia Royal Naval College.

Regards,
Phil

Thanks a lot, Phil! It really means a lot! I have seen that painting before while doing an extensive research on the Lion plans on Google, but didn't see what the name of the artist was. He is a good painter. I would assume he used some of the plans and a few photos of the KGVs to create the painting. Both my brother and I are also painters, so we admire a lot of paintings as well. We are soon going to make a boxart painting of the Lion for a 1/700 resin kit we designed to be released under Tom's Modelworks. So that will be the second Lion class painting on the internet! But regarding the kit, we still cannot promise though, as we would need to get more of the designs done. At least there will be resin parts, PE and instruction! 1/700 Rodney's 16" barrels can very well be used.

Thanks for looking and comments/criticisms are appreciated!
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I'm a little concerned by your planking method... you should really try to ensure that no two adjacent planks terminate on the same frame. By doing it the way you are at the moment, you are introducing significant weak points in the hull that will allow it to distort or even fracture.

You should be aiming for a planking pattern that looks something like this:

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Thank you for the advice. I know too that it would create weakness. I will take that into account when continuing planking.

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An update on the hull planking. This is my first post in this thread. Things are going very slowly, but still going... I helped Aop sanding the hull and it turned out quite OK. We haven't used a single bit of putty for the further planking, just a small amount of Green stuff at the seam of the flat bottom plates. So far the majority of filling is simply super glue, which works extremely well. The hull is getting really strong and quite heavy too! :heh:
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Although almost two weeks with no update on this build, we are still working (slowly) on her. Shapeways offered a free shipping promotion for orders over $25, which expired yesterday at 11:59 pm PDT. I couldn't resist such a nice offer, as the normal postage fee to Bangkok is $20. So I ordered my designs of the entire upper superstructure, Y turret director, and HACS directors. While waiting, I will try to finish the hull.
Edit: Wanted to add some renders of the designs I ordered! :)
Y turret director:
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HACS directors:
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Superstructure parts:
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Then cylindrical mounts for the aft pair of HACS. This is cheaper comparing to buying an Evergreen tube pack and use 1/50 of it. :heh:
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Til then! :wave_1:

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I ordered a 1/350 Nelson/Rodney barrel set from B&D Barrels, which are made using CNC cutting. The first set arrived over a week ago, but the portion at the barrel holes were slightly incorrect. It should taper outwards, but the set has it inwards, so I requested the owner, Bruce Buchner another replacement set. It was very kind of him to redo the cutting program and send another set to me without paying any extras or returning the previous set (Thanks Bruce!). Now when time comes, I will make mountings for them. I must thank Maarten Schönfeld for providing a detailed instruction on how to make them! :thumbs_up_1:
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Hi all!
After a while of no updates and some signs of laziness (3D printed parts!), I am now back working on the hull. Must say I still work slow. Here are some shots of the planking underway. At least I got much more done since the last update on the hull. We've been busy practising the piano, preparing for another concert. At least she looks like a Lion now! :joker:
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Still a lot to go, but once the 3D printed parts arrive, all we have left is the after deckhouse on top of the aft superstructure and some boats, masts and funnels, then the main parts will be done! Then we could move on to detailing... We're quietly pleased with our first scratch-built hull, even though something is completely off! Keep sanding.....!

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