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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:07 am 
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Thanks for that info Story, that will make things a lot easier - I have ordered one of these kits just to have a look see, cheers Will


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 6:31 pm 
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englishgunner wrote:
Thanks for that info Story, that will make things a lot easier - I have ordered one of these kits just to have a look see, cheers Will


Glad I could be of assistance. Do me/us a favor? Take plenty of pics when you get the kit, sorta do a review of it here in your thread?

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 3:51 am 
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Having a look at the gun mounts on these V & W's it seems this other CMK kit may be more suitable - with the shield mounted - what do you think?, Cheers Will


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:59 am 
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CMK's shield-less kit certainly looks like it has the High Altitude mount
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... agrams.jpg

I'm by no means an expert on your V&W Class, but from the following reference there were several variations in armament.
http://uboat.net/allies/warships/class/23.html

Original design;
4 4" guns (4x1)
2 2pdr AA (2x1)
6 21" torpedo tubes (2x3)

Fast escort;
4 4" AA guns (2x2)
8 .5" AA (2x4)

So the kit I posted would be appropriate for the original fitting and the shield-less one you bird-dogged for the 2nd variation.

If you decide you're going to build the Fast Escort version, I'd suggest emailing CMK and seeing if they could set you up with four HA kits with shields. Maybe they'll decide to brand that package as a new kit. http://www.cmkkits.com/en/page/about-us/

That still leaves the secondary armament for the Fast Escort - 8 x .5 AA. I *think* that's this Vickers arrangement
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_5-62_mk3.php
&
https://laststandonzombieisland.com/tag/vickers-50-cal/

Contact 3D MODELS on Shapeways, tell him what you're up to and ask him nicely to re-scale his quad .5 Vickers kit to 1:35th scale.
https://www.shapeways.com/product/6FVZB ... d=39676692
(I think the kit above is mis-labeled & actually 48th scale, given that he also has an elevated 1:72nd scale quad kit for cheaper)
https://www.shapeways.com/product/NM3HQ ... d=59642588

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:28 pm 
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englishgunner wrote:
Thanks chaps, it may take a while - my wife just gave birth to number 7 .


Is the eldest of the sort that you can delegate assembly of these weapons? Young eyes & tiny hands can be better dealing with fiddly bits (I built my first tank kit at the age of 6). Might be a good way of turning this into a group effort.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:34 pm 
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Thanks again Story, I think I am going to go with the later version, so the shielded HA gun sounds good. I have an HA kit coming and will have a go at knocking up a shield. My eldest is 12 and is very keen to give me a hand - he is more into tanks but we watched a Doco on the Battle of Jutland and I am slowly bringing him around!, cheers Will


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Hello, I am mucking around with the CMK 4 inch gun kit and have knocked up a shield to match the V & W's. Not happy with it yet, but I think it will do the trick in the end, cheers Will


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:53 am 
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Looks good from here.

Did you decide what version of this ship you'll be building?

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Thanks again Story, I am going with the 1941 HMAS Waterhen like the camouflaged picture on the previous page with the rear torpedo tubes replaced - I asked 3D Models as you advised and he said, no problem, he can do the quad vickers in 1/35 scale - very exciting,
Cheers, Will


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:39 pm 
At 1:50 am on 30 June 1941 the twenty-three year old 'Chook', as she was affectionately known to her crew, rolled over and sank. She was the first ship of the RAN to be lost by enemy action in World War II.

Worthy subject, but your navy says she only had the 2lb AA gun.
http://www.navy.gov.au/hmas-waterhen-i

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_2-pounder_naval_gun

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_2pounder_m8.php

I *think* the 2lb gun mount is where the red arrow is pointing
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:41 pm 
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At 1:50 am on 30 June 1941 the twenty-three year old 'Chook', as she was affectionately known to her crew, rolled over and sank. She was the first ship of the RAN to be lost by enemy action in World War II.

Worthy subject, but your navy says she only had the 2lb AA gun.
http://www.navy.gov.au/hmas-waterhen-i

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_2-pounder_naval_gun

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_2pounder_m8.php

I *think* the 2lb gun mount is where the red arrow is pointing
Image

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Again, I'm not an expert but I *think* this is the 2lb Vickers arrangement on the Waterhen.
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You might want to contact the RAN historical folks and see what drawings/photos they have.
https://www.navyhistory.org.au/contact-us/
Be careful, they might want your model when it's done. :thumbs_up_1:

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1/192 scale whaler PEQUOD


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Thanks Story, I have been collecting some images of the Waterhen, which seem to show the quad vickers mount. I think the photo you show of the 2 pounder is actually the HMS Defender sinking off Tobruk, with HMAS Vendetta standing off,
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englishgunner wrote:
Thanks Story, I have been collecting some images of the Waterhen, which seem to show the quad vickers mount. I think the photo you show of the 2 pounder is actually the HMS Defender sinking off Tobruk, with HMAS Vendetta standing off,
Cheers, Will


So it is - came up (mis-labeled) as being your Waterhen in a search.

All the vertical 4-in-line Quad Vickers arrangements I've come across to-date have been .50 cals, no 2lbers.
The 2lbers seem to be 2x2 mounts.
You might want to confirm that with more documentation.
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Hello again,
I am doing a bit of work on the forward superstructure and bridge. Its a bit rough at the moment, but its getting there. I am using 1mm plywood - not sure if 1mm styrene would be better but I am using it for little bits. I have bought a 3d printed quad vickers gun for the mount behind the aft funnel - it looks really good,
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The Shapeways products have really modernized scratch building, I love the stuff I've bought!
Enjoy!
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If it is a display model for indoors in a case plastic is OK.

But if it is a R/C model to be used outdoors you must be careful about mixing plastics, wood and metal. All plastics expand when they get warm - much faster than wood or metals like aluminum. You must take this into account if you use large pieces of plastic of any type for decks or internal structure. The larger the model, the more important it is to take this into consideration!

Acrylic (Plexiglas) has a thermal coefficient of expansion of 3.8 in/in/°F x 10-5 (6.0 cm/cm/°C x 10-5). This means that a 6 foot (1.83 meter) piece of acrylic will lengthen by 0.0027 inches (0.069 mm) for every degree of temperature change. In direct sunlight the deck and superstructure will heat up faster than the water-cooled hull, especially if decks are painted dark deck gray. If the deck is 20°F (11.1°C) warmer than the hull (very possible on sunny days) it will expand by 0.055 inches (1.4 mm)! Other plastics can expand nearly twice as much, while fiberglass (glass reinforced polyester) expands only a little more than 1/3 as much as acrylic. Wood expands even less.

Because of this characteristic large plastic decks and superstructure sides will buckle when heated if they are fastened securely at the ends to non-plastic frames. Furthermore, many adhesives weaken when they are heated - cynaoacrylate (super glue) liquefies at about 100C (good to know if you need to unglue parts). Some epoxies melt when they get hot. As plastics (anything) expand and soften when heated the glues holding them in place weaken.

There are several posts in the scratch building section telling of models that had to be rebuilt after plastic parts expanded and the model self-destructed in hot summer heat.

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PS: The dashboard of a car parked in direct sunlight will reach 150F (65C) on a hot summer day. That is a 78F (42C) change from room temperature!

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Thankyou very much for the advice. I think I will use plywood with styrene for fiddly bits. I want it to be durable as it will be a working model and it will be transported in 40 degree Celsius Australian summers and higher and I don't want it warping. I think the styrene gives a better finish though.
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Hello all, I have been slowly doing the front and rear superstructures - thanks to your advice I decided upon gluing 1mm styrene over the 1mm plywood. It is certainly very strong and should stand the test of time. I have not done this sort of scratch building before and am really enjoying creating something out of nothing,
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Two more photos, showing the 3D printed quad vickers with 1/35 scale sailor and the rear superstructure taking shape. I do two minutes here, five minutes there, its amazing what you can do when time is short, cheers Will


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