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PostPosted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 9:42 am 
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Hi Guys,
Having always had an interest in things maritime and seeing the work done on this forum. I have decided to try my hand at scratch building. For my first effort at anything substantial will be a World War One German Navy Torpedo Boat. The subject will be V108 with my reference being the card model from Digital Navy. This for me will be a learning exercise so I suspect that at time it will be a case of two steps forward one step back. I have been building plastic model ships and aircraft for over 40 years so I do have some skills though no where near the standard seen on this forum.

I intend to begin by taking the sheets for the card model and introducing them to the photo copier to enlarge them from 1:200 to 1:72. Then it will be out with the glue stick to paste the sheets on the card. For the hull keel and bulkheads I’ll be using 80 thou sheet.

I’ll try and include some photo’s with each installment. Well here goes – fingers crossed.


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Hi Guys,
Having always had an interest in things maritime and seeing the work done on this forum. I have decided to try my hand at scratch building. For my first effort at anything substantial will be a World War One German Navy Torpedo Boat. The subject will be V108 with my reference being the card model from Digital Navy. This for me will be a learning exercise so I suspect that at time it will be a case of two steps forward one step back. I have been building plastic model ships and aircraft for over 40 years so I do have some skills though no where near the standard seen on this forum.

I intend to begin by taking the sheets for the card model and introducing them to the photo copier to enlarge them from 1:200 to 1:72. Then it will be out with the glue stick to paste the sheets on the card. For the hull keel and bulkheads I’ll be using 80 thou sheet.

I’ll try and include some photo’s with each installment. Well here goes – fingers crossed.

Best of luck with your new project and please keep us up dated .
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:49 am 
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Thank you for the suggestions and support. That looks like a very useful web site ingura. Well an evenings work has seen me progess this far.

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Next step will be to cut out the slots in the keel and frames.

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:welcome: to modelwarships.com! :thumbs_up_1:

Good subject- will watch progress!!

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Excellent, I have built that kit twice, the first attempt was demolished after the hull warped beyond help, but the second build is going quite smoothly, can't wait to see yours! At this scale it will be something to see for sure!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:41 am 
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Hi,

Best of luck with you attempt - your build will be more than interesting for me as I have very close situation. I want to build my first RC scratchbuilt ship and have chosen V108 as prototype and Digital Navy plans as information source due to comparative simplicity of the ship, its size, and good references available.

I will start mine in a year or so having to finish kits I am working with. But I will be watching closely your build and hope to learn from your process.

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Hi Heinkel51!!

Indeed it is a nice project, and there will be a nice model.
I have a few references for this torpedoboat, and will be contributing here.
I ask buddies please to bring here all your personal references, and we will join all material in this thread. I hope in a future to build this ship too! Thanks all! :thumbs_up_1:
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:04 am 
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Some drawings:

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And a bit of History for the class:



Vulcan at Stettin were building 4 destroyers as Z 1 to Z 4 for the Netherlands when the war started in 1914 and they were taken into the German Navy as V 105 to V 108.
V 107 was mined in 1915. V 106 was broken up in 1920.
V 105 and V 108 were transferred to the new Polish Navy in 1920, where they were classified as torpedo boats, becoming the ORP Mazur and ORP Kaszub respectively.
Kaszub was lost in 1925. Converted into a training ship in 1931, Mazur became the first warship to be lost in WW II when she was bombed on !.9.39. She was raised and scrapped by the Germans.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:59 am 
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ORP Kaszub in 1925: Victim to a boiler explosion.

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Source: http://acn.waw.pl/bs/galerie/pmw/pmw.htm

Read more about the ship here: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORP_Kaszub_(1921)

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Originally designed as a Royal Netherlands small destroyer, four ships of this class were ordered from the Stettin Shipyards of AG Vulcan in 1914. When WWI started up foreign ordered ships in various powers shipyards were taken over as a means of increasing Naval Fleets by whatever means necessary. The Z-1 through Z-4 ships was renamed by Germany as V-105 through V-108, the V standing in for the Vulcan Shipyards.

At 340 tons displacement, 205 feet long and a speed of 27 knots these were handy little ships which carried 2 torpedo tubes firing the 17.7 inch or 450 MM torpedo. While her three sisters were carrying two 8.8 CM guns she had her guns reduced to two 52mm mounts to enable a third torpedo tube to be added. They were designed as dual fuel type ships with two boilers fired by coal and two fired by fuel oil, enabling them to be of maximum use The Yarrow water tube boilers turned two geared turbines that were turning two screws with a horsepower rating of 5500 HP.

The history of these ships was interesting as a Dutch design, placed into Kriegsmarine service, and then two of them turned over to Brazil as a part of war reparations and then sold to Poland. The four ships served through WWI for Germany as coastal patrol and defense ships, V-106 being scrapped in 1920. V-107 hit a Russian mine and had her bow blown off in the harbor entrance to Libau on the 8th of May in 1915 just two months after being commissioned. V-105 was renamed the ORP Mazur, V-108 was renamed as the ORP Kaszub. These two were rearmed and used in various functions up to WWII. V-105 as the ORP Mazur had the distinction of being one of the first Polish ships sunk on September 1, 1939 when German bombers appeared over her berth in Oksywie dropping one bomb close to her and another amidships. The V-108 as the ORP Kaszub fell victim to a boiler explosion in Gdansk Harbor on July 20, 1925 with a loss of 3 crewmembers.

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ORP Kaszub:

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Here is link to revised construction files for the V-108 torpedo boat:
http://www.digitalnavy.com/V108new/index.html

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 7:18 am 
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Thanks Guys some fantastic and extremely useful information.

Well it’s been a long time between drinks. Having cut out the main hull pieces I thought what next? Obviously I should notch the frame and keels and then have a dry run as to how it slotted together.

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Having seen some other builds on this forum decided to cut some braces for the frames and then commenced the task of gluing the hull frames and keel together. This will be a slow process.

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However I hope to have it complete by the end of the Weekend.

My thoughts are turning to the Hull plating. I'm thinking of using 20 thou card as a base then cutting out plates from 10 thou with rivet detail added by embossing the rear before gluing the plate on. I was not going to worry about the rivets initially however it struck me that in the early 1900's riveting was probably the go.

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Hi Heinkel.
Was noting in your build the part of deck in the bow, and I would like you to suggest some corrections, if you want to improve the model.
See the part pointed with red arrow................the lines are waving in the aft edge.

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Comparing with some drawings I have, these lines could be straight, as shown below in ORANGE........
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And here as original plans, without orange lines.......

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If you think it is OK, what about doing the correction?
And I say your model is progressing sharp and very interesting. Congratulations on your efforts.
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Greetings Jimmy,
Thank you for your interest and comments. Looking at the drawing is it for V106? The reason I ask is that V106 was modified to carry two torpedo tubes forward, while V108 had only one forward tube mounted on the centreline. So I'm wondering if the drawings would still apply for V108. The other question that comes to mind is that if I go for the revised deck plan do I still have the curved edges on the forward deck?
If possible could you confirm if the plans are for V106?
I'm up to adding the main deck so I do not have to make decision on the bow just yet. I'll add some more photos next post.

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Hi Heinkel, yes, I think the plans are for V106, or other in the class that were fitted with 2 torpedo tubes.
But don't you agree that the four ships ( V105 / V108 ) were sisters in the general structural features, and the diferences were only in the weapons and some other minimals?

For the question about the revised deck with curved edges, watch this pic for Mazur........ I think the camber is normal, and that in the plans for Digital Navy are a bit exagerated.... In the pic you can see that plates for main deck overpass the edge with hull plates.....

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Some more......bollards......
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This is V108, both pics.....

See red arrow, there are bollards in the ship. The DigNavy plans doesn't show them.....
See green..... the shape for vent.

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See here in yellow arrow the rear navigation light ( I don't know the right term in english for this light.... )

In red you can see the upper portion of the rudder.......

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