SS Normandie 1:600

patrick camilleri · Post by **patrick camilleri** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:15 pm

After having finished the SS Independence I started on the Normandie (1:600). This is where I've got to.

reigels · Post by **reigels** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 4:36 pm

Very nice work. You make it look easy.

Are you using scribed sheet styreen for the wood sections of the decks?

Something to look at: I may be wrong, but it might be worth verifying that the original curved bridge wings are correct with the later second class lounge in place.

Very nice, all the same.

patrick camilleri · Post by **patrick camilleri** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:02 pm

Thanks Reigels,

Good job you spotted that.

I had totally missed it. I simply built what was shown on my plans ........actually, the plans show both the earlier and the later bridges but there was no mention of the lounge being later.

Need to do a bit more research and some more surgery it seems.

Patrick
PS: For the decks I scribe the plastic card myself.

reigels · Post by **reigels** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:23 pm

How did you create the bevel around the lower part of the funnels? Looks tough to do in styrene.

Post by **JIM BAUMANN** » Thu Jun 25, 2009 5:58 pm

Looking very good indeed--a most worthy model!!

I think however the funnle tops may need to be looked at again?-especially the after-most one...

I post below some handy pics--sorry they are nor larger-- that may be of use to you

I have a number of books on Normandie--If I can assist with any specifics--let me know!

This is a very handy link
http://www.hot.ee/revall11/
http://www.garemaritime.com/gallery.php?s=10

Best Wishes

Jim Baumann

Post by **Dave Wooley** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 3:34 am

Hi Patrick One of my all time favorite liners and superbly modeled .

Dave Wooley

Rei · Post by **Rei** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:42 am

Reigels...

The bevel around the bases of the funnels is causing me lots of headaches. I used a thick plastic card which I sanded down to make it triangular in cross-section then I glued it to the funnels. I touched up the edges with a tiny amount of Revell filler to feather them in. I'm still not happy with the result as the juction is a bit uneven. More sanding to be done here I suppose.

Patrick

patrick camilleri · Post by **patrick camilleri** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 5:48 am

Many thanks for the pictures Jim. They will come in really useful.

I see what you mean about the 3rd funnel but unfortunately the area is in shadow and it is not so clear to see exactly what is happening there. It seems there is some sort of wire guard over the top.........I'll have to try and find more information about this area too.

I'm glad I decided to upload the pictures now ..... there are some things I seem to have missed but I am still in time to correct them.

It seems I need to decide whether to go for the earlier curved bridges, (leaving out the lounge structure aft); or leaving the aft structure there, (it's not glued in place yet), and changing the shape of the bridge .....I quite like the curved bridge ....and I think the aft lounge doesn't really improve the looks ......so I'll probably just leave out the aft lounge ..... we'll see.....
decisions, decisions ......!

Any other comments would be welcome.

Patrick

reigels · Post by **reigels** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 10:47 am

I had a hunch the funnel bevels we're not much fun.

I agree with you that she was a better looking ship "as built" with the original wings, etc. You'll want to consider how to add the ship's illuminated name to the top of the super structure for this configuration. (sorry - no helpful suggestions here.)

Looking forward to seeing more photos.

FYI -- When it comes to painting, references seem to indicate that the whaleback on the bow was painted a russet brown, rather than gray as sometime depicted in some paintings and models.

kurt · Post by **kurt** » Fri Jun 26, 2009 7:13 pm

Patrick,

The Normandie has been my all time favorite ship since I was a child. I had a model of her my uncle built while in the navy during WW2. I always hoped someone would produce a model of her. Now I may have to follow your example and give scratch building a try. I read through the thread on your SS Independence and it raises a question. You had to repaint the bow due to cracks and mentioned the white didn't match the original. Is there a white that doesn't yellow so quickly? Seems to be an awful lot of white on liners and to change so quickly after all that hard work must be a real let down.

Post a lot more pics of the Normandie!

Kurt

reigels · Post by **reigels** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 9:09 am

Just found some color footage of Normandie on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeF4HXCq5z0

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Part 2 is amazing:
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kurt · Post by **kurt** » Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:01 am

Those are great!

Joachim · Post by **Joachim** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 4:20 am

Hi Patrick!
Even in this stage your Normandie is an incredible beauty. the nicest liner ever, in my eyes!
thank your for sharing the so much inspiring photos with us!

Joachim

patrick camilleri · Post by **patrick camilleri** » Mon Jun 29, 2009 1:51 pm

Reigels,

Many thanks for the videos you posted. I enjoyed them tremendously. She really was an fantastic ship.... what a shame she's no longer around.

Still, I've spent the last few modelling sessions working on the funnels. Luckily they were hollow inside so it wasn't too great an effort to cut out the top and to clean up the insides. This allowed me to put in a few horizontal reinforcing bands inside the funnels. Now I'm building the Inner ducts, the first of which you can see in the middle funnel. (The rough bit you see inside the fore funnel is masking tape stuck to the base plastic card so that it doesn't get filled / painted. When remove it it will leave the clean plastic card visible so that I can glue the inner duct to it). The metal cage will be built at some later stage.

Thanks everyone for the comments, pics and videos. They were really worthwhile and will result in a better model.

Let me know if you think there is anything else I should fix.

Patrick

reigels · Post by **reigels** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:16 am

Nice improvements to the funnels. They really capture "the look".

What are your plans for the lifeboats? Resin casting?

patrick camilleri · Post by **patrick camilleri** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 11:52 am

I've considered casting the boats .... there are an awful lot of them on this ship. The problem is that proper casting is a new technique for me. I've only dabbled with it in the past.
Not sure how it would work for these particular boats. Could you cast one pair, (since one boat sits inside another), in one casting?

What I was thinking of doing was casting the top bits and fitting them inside a crash moulded polystyrene hull.

This seems rather laborious though and won't result in boats looking 100% identical.

Alternatively I could use a resin moulded top bit mated to a resin moulded bottom. (I use modelling clay for the mould and glass fibre resin to cast with). This should work.... I hope.

Any advice would be welcome.

Patrick

Pieter · Post by **Pieter** » Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:08 pm

The traditional 1/1200 miniaturists' way to build covered lifeboats is to start with a straight strip of wood or styrene which is of slightly larger cross section as the lifeboats. File and sand the cross section in shape after marking the future boats every x mm's. x = boats' length. Take a nail cutter and cut the rough shape of the boat's front. Sand and file into shape. After that do the same at the after end and separate the piece from the strip after most filing / sanding has been done as it is much easier to handle a strip rather than an x mm boat. Repeat for the next boat etc etc... With some practice this should give you one boat every 2-3 minutes.
BTW fantastic build!

ALBERTO · Post by **ALBERTO** » Tue Jul 21, 2009 3:19 am

hi
wonderfull job:)
I had build the 1/600 OLM NORMANDIE long time ago, far for being the perfect model but a nice star.All the boats are covered in this model, and as far as i remember in all books and dvd in colour i have i have allways seen the boat covered.You can made a boat with modelling clay and use it as master for resind mold, i think will work , I would be more worried about the davids tham about the boats!!!:) you can even usethe boats from a Airfix QE and covered, they are not so diferents.Any way you are doing a wonderfull model of the most beautifull liner:)

Timothyo · Post by **Timothyo** » Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:23 pm

This looks great! Any updates?

Timothy

patrick camilleri · Post by **patrick camilleri** » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:40 pm

I seem to have had a bit of trouble uploading my earlier post ..... not too sure where it's gone too ?? So I'll have to do it over again!

I haven't progressed too far with the build ... but I thought I'd post some pics of where I've got to. I've corrected the mistakes that were pointed out to me .... or am in the process of correcting them. The home made window transfers are being fixed in place and I hope to paint the hull over the next couple of weeks.

Final fitting out will follow. She should be done by Christmas!

One further error I can see in these pics is the slope of the fore funnel .... it doesn't match the other two .....grrrrrr more corrections required.....
Patrick

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