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 Post subject: USN Destroyer Escort.
PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:12 pm 
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hello all, :wave_1:

after a long break , I decided to start a new build. I am going to build an USN Destroyer Escort in scale 1/35.
This model will be 2m 66 cm long and beam will be 30 cm.

First I am going to tell something about DE's.

In early 1941 UK ordered some DE's under the Lend-Lease plan. The original 50 was expanded to nearly 250 by early 1942 , but only 55 were transferred to the UK , all the others being retained by the USN which had not planned to build any.

Of the 1005 DE's finally ordered by 1943 , only 563 were complete , including 56 completed as high speed transports (APD)

At first there was the Evarts Class or short hulls, 289 feet 5 inches long with a beam of 35 feet and a draught of 10 feet. This shallow draught saved many DE's from U-boat attack. UK received some of these short hull ships and called them Kaptain Class Frigats.
Armament was 3 x 3inch/50cal guns , 1 x 1'1 inch AA gun , which was later replaced by a Bofors 40 mm Twin gun, when these guns became available , and up to 9 x 20mm Oerlikon guns , 2 x depth charge racks and 8 x depth charge throwers or K-guns and Hedgehog anti submarine spigot mortar system.

Then came the Buckley Class , Cannon Class and Edsal Class or long hulls , 306 feet long with a beam of 36 feet 10 inches and draught 14 feet. The difference between these classes was their power plant.
Armament was almost the same as on the Evarts Class , but they had a triple 21 inch torpedo tube installed mid ship. These torpedo tubes were on some ships removed and additional AA armament was installed , mainly single 40 mm Bofors guns Army type.

The last DE's build were Rudderow Class and John C. Butler Class , they also had the long hull , but the had a complete new bridge that closely resembled the style of the Allan M. Sumner Class Destroyer.
Armament was 2 x 5inch/38cal guns , 2 x 40mm twin Bofors , some ships had the aft twin removed in favor of a 40mm quad , up to 12 x 20mm Oerlikon guns , depth charge racks , K-guns , 21 inch torpedo tubes and hedghehog anti sub system.

Some of the DE's were converted to APD's , everything behind the bridge was removed , the sides of the ship were higher , 4 x boat davids to handle 4 LCVP's landing craft were installed. On board these ships were US Marines or Rangers.
Converted Buckley's , Cannon's and Edsal's became Charles Lawrence type of ships , converted Rudderow and John C.Butler's became Crossley type of ship.

A wide variaty of camouflage was used on these ships , from a single colour Navy Blue , up to a multi colours of grays and blues. The APD4 were in 3 greens , brown and black.

here are some photo's to give you some idea how they look like.

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I will use the vacuum forming method , so I had to build the moulds , 4 moulds will form the complete hull. here are some photo's of the moulds.

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front part

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center part

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aft part

Then I cut out a piece MDF plate , the exact form as the lower part of the mould , on this plate I place the mould so NO air will be trapped.

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I cut out a large piece of styrene plate and clamp it between the frame.

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I place the MDF plate onto the forming table.

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onto this plate I place the mould , then heat up the oven , after a while the soffend styrene plate starts to sag , I turn off the oven and start the vacuum pump.

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I lower the frame with soffend styrene and let the pump do the rest.

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I roughly cut out the mould , flip over mould and form , remove the MDF plate and mark the bottom of the mould.

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I flip over the mould and form again , and gently remove the mould from the form , this is how it look until now.

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I have to repeat this process 3 more times ,then the complete hull will be formed.

The start has been made.

regards,

Ludwig


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:41 pm 
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Lugwig that's pretty impressive the way you are doing that hull. I will be watching your progress with it and the rest of the build.

All the best with it. :thumbs_up_1:

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Hi Ludwig Good to see you on the board again . This is excellent but why styrene for such a large model ?
Dave Wooley :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1:


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:welcome: back!!

well-- size does appear to be impressive LOL !! :wave_1:


quick query--did you finish the German destroyer and its diorama--or did I miss something?

anyhow-- good to see you back in the helmsmans seat!


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Hello Ludwig :wave_1:

It's too a big and beautiful project! I like the big models! I know your beautiful work :thumbs_up_1: and it will be a pleasure to see this new model!

But like Jim, have you finished your german destroyer??? Or i'm blind??!!!! :scratch:

Good luck!!!

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hello all,

Not that much done this week :sorry:

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the moulds

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the complete hull formed.

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here I have cut out the parts I need to build the hull. Now I have to cut out the frames and place them inside the hull.

Stay tuned,

regards, Ludwig

to Alain and Jim : I have stopped working on the Flottentorpedoboot , because lack of information , I will complete that boat one day.


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very interesting project Ludwig.
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Ludwig,

Good to see you building again. I can now stop bugging you for updates on the 1/35 Flottentorpedoboot Typ 39 (1942/43) thread
(viewtopic.php?f=13&t=8473&start=240)

I love looking at your pictures. I am always impressed by how clean and organized you are. Did you stop work on the entire "harbour diorama ?" Is it still in your workshop?

Thanks for sharing
Todd


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Ludwig, how is your project coming? Even though I'm not a scratch builder I've been following your build thread with interest. DE's are sorely overlooked in my opinion, particularly considering the invaluable contribution they made in both the Atlantic and Pacific theaters. I've been hoping that somebody would will release a DE in at least 1/350, preferably 1/144, similar to Revel's new Fletcher Class DD.

I've long been drawn to the the story of the Battle Off Samar and the role that the DE's like Samuel B. Roberts played in staving off disaster in Leyte Gulf. I was hoping that after the book Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors was released at least one manufacturer might give us a decent DE kit in a respectable scale.

Keep up the great work and I'm looking forward to seeing the next set of pictures of your progress.

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hello all,

have been working on my De , not that much as i wanted , hope to do more from now on.

First I start with the aft section , glue a piece of styrene strip in the center and glued the 2 halves together.

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then I cut out the longitudinal frame and mark the frames.

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then I cut out all the frames , bearing in mind minus the thickness off the form.

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here I have placed all the frames inside the form , this is how it will look like in the end , but much stronger.

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@ bigtodd , work on the harbour diorama is stopped temporarely , US and british bombers intervene further work :bash_2:

regards,

Ludwig


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Ludwig, glad to see more updates on your progress. A very interesting project and an unusual method of construction - can't wait to see how she turns out! I am curious what thicknesses of plastic you are using. :smallsmile: John


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hello all,

@jcmackay I am using 1,5 mm thick styrene , for frames , longitudinal frame is 2mm thick.

Now I have started to glue the frames inside the form.

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first I reinforce the frames , making sure everything is square to each other.

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this is how it looks like finished.

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I place the frame on the longitudinal frame , with on top a straight piece of wood.

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over this piece of wood comes another long piece of straight wood , besides the form I place 2 exactly the same pieces of wood on which the long lath is clamped , making sure all is level

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underneath the hull comes a piece of wood for extra support .

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always making sure everything is square.

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4 frames glued inside the hull.

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just 1 frame to go.

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frame 13 has been made 2 times , at this frame 2 sections come together.

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frame 13 in place.

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with some deck supports in place.

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with wing nuts in place , waiting for the center section to come.

enjoy,

Ludwig


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Hi Ludwig
interesting way to build the hull.
is notable the quality work dedicated to the stanchions or any part of your buildings.
very :thumbs_up_1: :wave_1: good


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Hi there
Looking forward to this build the DE's are ships I always liked :thumbs_up_1:
I may of missed it but which class is it you are building?

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Ludwig, I'm glad to see you are back at work on this project. I'm a big fan of USN DE's and I think they are definitely under represented in few kits on the market. I don't know of any DE kits in 1/350 or larger that are state of the art quality. I look forward to watching your progress.

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Hey

A great build you have! Very interesting! DEs are nice ships!

robertmelvin wrote:
Ludwig, I'm glad to see you are back at work on this project. I'm a big fan of USN DE's and I think they are definitely under represented in few kits on the market. I don't know of any DE kits in 1/350 or larger that are state of the art quality. I look forward to watching your progress.

Bob


There is a Trumpeter's kit of USS England in 1/350. Not on par with modern Dragon Benson/Gleaves/Gearing kits, but can be done in a nice model (drop in a good PE set, resin details, etc). Pitroad/Skywave offers the same model as USS Percival with an extra sprue for differences between Buckley and Cannon classes.

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Hi Ludwig This is a method of build I have not seen before but interesting non the less .
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Hello gingyer , I shall build a Buckley Class DE , with or without torpedotbes , I am not sure about that.

Dave Wooley , I call this, hull on frame build , when all the frames are cut and reinforced , it takes about one day to finish a section. At this moment I am working on the center section which is almost finished , I shall post some photo's tomorrow.

regards,

Ludwig


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hello all,

more photo's of my build.

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center section seen from frame 6

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again center section seen from frame 13.

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center section finished.

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aft and center section bolted together.

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start on the front section , a strip of styrene has been glued on the bottem.

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frame 1/4 reinforced.

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the front section.

enjoy ,

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Buckley class nice 3" guns onboard

Rober Mitchum on the bridge then also?
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