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Author: | Timmy C [ Tue Mar 01, 2011 2:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/72 HMCS Summerside MM 711 |
Wonderful to see an HMCS build here! Glad to see this coming to fruition |
Author: | Neptune [ Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/72 HMCS Summerside MM 711 |
Same here, rather rare subjects, but interesting ones for sure! I expected somewhere an error in the plans as there is a fairly strange bulge in those first pics. Not a disaster though, if you never try, you'll never make a mistake (but you'll never have a model either!). I'm sure such mistakes have been made by many over here. I too had a frame sticking out somewhere by bad alignment. You learn from the experience and as far as I can read in the beginning of your topic, you're nearing completion = you fixed the problem along the way! Good luck in finishing your project, I'm eagerly waiting for the next set of pictures |
Author: | Dave Wooley [ Tue Mar 01, 2011 3:54 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/72 HMCS Summerside MM 711 |
Hi Sean welcomes to scratch build. Identifying any error is one thing correcting the error is another but to show and mention this on your first build on a web board devoted to scratch building takes some doing and for that alone you deserve a commendation .Any way your first build is a good deal better than my first built . Good to have you aboard. Dave Wooley |
Author: | Richard J OMalley [ Wed Mar 02, 2011 5:47 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/72 HMCS Summerside MM 711 |
Hi Sean Welcome aboard Looking forward to your build.When you scratch build you encounter proublems that have to be solved .How you solve them is what makes you a Model BUILDER. . |
Author: | johnny canuck [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 7:07 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/72 HMCS Summerside MM 711 |
Hello, Sean, It's great to see another Cdn build on here and a nice ship too. I will be watching you posts with great interest as I am sure I will be building one of these vessels in the future. |
Author: | whytewolf [ Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/72 HMCS Summerside MM 711 |
Thanks James. Truth be told it was your 1/72 Assiniboine build that first brought me here, before I'd even picked my subject, and having read through your build (up to that point anyway) that made me realize there was no hope of me doing justice to a large scale subject like Charlottetown--measuring what I perceived I could do for my first ship against what you were doing made me realize I needed to pick a smaller subject to start In fact I'm keen to see the Boffin mounts you're working on, since the one on Summerside (and hence what I've modeled) apparently comes from one of the DDE/DDHs. I'm keen to compare But first, I need to get some detail shots of my current work without relying on the POS camera in my BlackBerry Cheers, Sean |
Author: | johnny canuck [ Fri Mar 11, 2011 7:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/72 HMCS Summerside MM 711 |
Thanks for the interest in my build. I have lots of photos of the Boffin mount on the Hiada as she in only 30min down the road from me. If you like, I can e-mail them to you. As I don't have many close ups of the actual 40mm mounts on Assiniboine, I will just use the Hiada version and say close enough. I am planning to use the Airfix 40mm Bofors for the barrel but I have not actually scaled that yet to see if it is 1/72 or 1/76 as Airfix kits vary alot between what the box says and what is inside (for armour anyways). I have build the power moduals and have worked on the bases for the guns but haven't posted any photos yet. Hopefully this weekend I will get something done. |
Author: | russclark [ Wed Mar 16, 2011 11:03 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/72 HMCS Summerside MM 711 |
hello sean,the summerside is looking bang on good.the casting of the rib is also good.what type of moulding and casting material do you use.i live in campbell river and run a small passenger and frieght boat up and down the coast and quite often run into this class of ship. |
Author: | whytewolf [ Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/72 HMCS Summerside MM 711 |
Russ, Thanks for the kind words--I've been keenly watching your Adm Scheer build; I can never get enough of seeing all you talented scratch-builders work As for Summerside, I was pretty nervous at the early going that I'd never be able to finish the model successfully--but I seem to have taken to ship modeling, well, like a fish to water Despite friends prodding me to use better quality materials, I do all my molding and casting with Alumilite high-strength silicon and Alumilite resin. I've used Smooth-on products before, and prefer them but they cost much more than the Alumilite at my LHS I hope one day to be able to walk the deck of an MCDV--they came into service since I moved to Calgary, and we don't have much need for them here I've only been out to Vancouver Island once, and couldn't make it to Esquimalt. I'm back home in PEI for a week this summer, and plan on going to the Maritime Museum of the Atlantic in Halifax--so who knows, maybe I'll see one puttering along in the harbor Cheers Sean |
Author: | Dave Wooley [ Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/72 HMCS Summerside MM 711 |
Hi Sean your build is progressing well . An interesting ship and it would be just as manageable at the larger scale of 1:48 ? Dave Wooley |
Author: | whytewolf [ Wed Mar 16, 2011 1:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/72 HMCS Summerside MM 711 |
Dave, Yeah, I think it wouldn't be any more difficult in 1/48 than in 1/72. In actual fact I've had a couple of discussions with another modeler friend of mine who is thinking he might build one in 1/48 as a working model. My scale would be too small for RC I think (not that RC is my thing anyway--I prefer not to to risk all my work ending up at the bottom of a lake ) but 1/48 should be all right if you can find a way of building the azipods (though I think you might need to make them bigger than scale to get them to work properly, but I don't think that would be noticeable) but I leave that to those more knowledgeable in the ways of working ship models than I Cheers, Sean |
Author: | Capitão Norbert [ Wed Mar 16, 2011 2:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/72 HMCS Summerside MM 711 |
wow the model looks superb! |
Author: | johnny canuck [ Sat Mar 19, 2011 6:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/72 HMCS Summerside MM 711 |
Sean, Thanks for the info on the Airfix Bofors. I will have to scratch build one. I looked at the flickr photos, how did you do the dimpling on the funnel casings? The ship is looking very good. |
Author: | whytewolf [ Fri Apr 01, 2011 1:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/72 HMCS Summerside MM 711 |
Thanks James. I created the "dished" effect on the funnel casings by marking a grid in pencil that matched the visible frames I saw in close up photos and then drew a curved #10 blade "backwards" in-between the pencil marks--that is, the sharp end was at the trailing, rather than leading edge of the draw. It's worked all right I guess, but I'm not 100% happy with it. I think it could have been done better with some pre-shading during the painting phase, which is how I'm planning on replicating a similar effect on the hull. Just to jump ahead in the time-line (I'll come back to the ship herself in my next post) I figured I'd take a moment to talk about how I've tackled or in this case re-tackled) the two Rigid Hull Inflatable Boats (RHIBs, or Zodiacs) the MCDVs carry. When I started out I had no confidence that could make one, so I started looking for a 1/72 Zodiac I could use. A friend of a friend recommended tracking down the Revell Jaques Cousteau PBY-5 kit as it contained a plastic Zodiac. I picked one up on Ebay for a reasonable price, removed the zodiac parts from the kit and "donated" the rest of it to a friend After studying the photos I had however I noticed that the Zodiac didn't quite look the same, and in fact there were two, a longer one and a shorter one. So with some trepidation I elected to make a mold that would allow me to make modifications without ruining the only injection molded copy I had. You can see the zodiac parts in the top right of the image above. (both photos courtesy of Lars Jørgensen's excellent review at modelingmadness.com) Here you can see the original as assembled, the mold and the resin copy I built a stretched version by cutting one of the copies in half, and inserting a pair of aluminum rods into the "pontoons" and rebuildin the floor and keel of the inserted "plug" with sheet styrene and Apoxie sSculpt. I added an operator's station and a "roll-bar" and threw a quick coat of paint on it. After some time I came back to finish it off, but I wasn't happy with how it looked--it wasn't as beefy as the photos I had showed the original to be. After poking around the Zodiac website, I downloaded some of their sales materials, and scaled the plans to 1/72. As you can see, in comparison the model zodiac is too pointy at he bow , and lacks the deep, rigid keel of the prototype. By comparison, the non-stretched zodiac looks not too bad, save for the point of the nose. This I'll fix by carving away the attached bow tarp and the "point" and re-shaping it with Apoxie Sculpt. For the "stretched" version, I again cut a resin copy in half down the middle, and lengthened it using aluminum tubing. This time however, I also built up a keel cut from plastic sheet. As photos show this bottom sections with a pair of chines, I added them using additional curved sections of plastic sheet. It's all pretty rough right now, but I'll be using Apoxie Sculpt to fair things in and sand it smooth after. Aaaaannnnnddd....this is what you get when you don't have a means for air to escape from your molds. The bubbles are an easy fix, I just fill them with either Apoxie Sculpt or Superglue, but the tips of the pontoons need to be rebuilt. I drilled a small hole in each and inserted a length of brass rod, cemented in with superglue. I'll rebuild the tips with Apoxie Sculpt, but as I plan on casting copies of the finished Zodiac, I'll leave the rod untrimmed, allowing for an pocket air can escape into to when pouring resin so the tips aren't obliterated by bubbles. Still some work to do--I have to remove the tarp and point of the bow and build an operator's console, but I'm already a lot happier with the new Zodiacs, since they're going to look more the part when the ship's on display I'll follow up with more photos as I complete these two RHIBs--hopefully it's of help to others out there who may be wondering what to do about this little guys on modern warship models. Or it just soothes the ego talking about it Plus it's an opportunity to try out my new digital camera--it already is 1000% better at closeup's of the work bench than the Blackberry Cheers, Sean |
Author: | russclark [ Fri Apr 01, 2011 3:03 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/72 HMCS Summerside MM 711 |
hi sean,i like the rib,s very much,when you are making your moulds do you have a vacum pot or somthing to degass the silicon before you pore, or does the stuff you use need it.i do not have a means of degassing,and no mater how easy i mix lots of tiny,tiny bubbles get in. |
Author: | Admhawk [ Fri Apr 01, 2011 3:32 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/72 HMCS Summerside MM 711 |
russclark wrote: hi sean,i like the rib,s very much,when you are making your moulds do you have a vacum pot or somthing to degass the silicon before you pore, or does the stuff you use need it.i do not have a means of degassing,and no mater how easy i mix lots of tiny,tiny bubbles get in. Do you have a pressure pot? |
Author: | whytewolf [ Fri Apr 01, 2011 4:00 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: 1/72 HMCS Summerside MM 711 |
Russ, Nothing fancy with my set-up--I don't have a pressure pot or vacuum chamber to degas the silicone or the resin. The up side is it forces me to think really hard about how to best design the mold to alleviate the issue of bubbles. As can be seen my first attempt with the zodiac wasn't so good, but thanks to that experience I've got some ideas about how to cast the next set. The downside is I spend hours sitting and watching silicone and resin cure, using a toothpick and a tiny brass wire to prod and poke bubbles out of the molds and castings When I say I hand-crafted a cast resin part, I really mean it! In all seriousness though, I know there are better ways to do it than I do, but one lesson I learned in the army is to do it the hard way to learn it, and then the easy way to perfect it--I'm only just learning ATM, but soon, my precious, soon, I'll be investing in a pressure pot...not that I'll ever be able to compete with Darren and his Resin Shipyard Cheers, Sean |
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