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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 11:29 pm 
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You are right: the chaos started with the Royal Navy reusing the term "frigate" and "corvette" for very small and slow escort ships instead of large cruiser-type ships. The USN use of the 1950s was still fine - their frigates were larger cruiser-type ships, which replaced the light cruisers, which had become to large and expensive - and most of the USN frigates were re-classified in 1975 as cruisers (except of the Mitscher and Farragut class).

Another reason for this chaos could be the Washington and London treaties, which caused the cruisers to develop into large, expensive ships build during the "battleship holiday".

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:54 pm 
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At 10,000 tons, would you really call this a destroyer?

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January 5, 2018 seawaves

The first Type 055 destroyer is being outfitted at Jiangnan Shipyard (Group) in Shanghai.

Workers are installing conduits and cables in the 10,000-tonne vessel, Zhou Xin, a military representative stationed in the shipyard to oversee the building of the warship, was quoted by the People’s Liberation Army Daily as saying.

“Putting the ship in the water is nothing more than building a roughcast house, while outfitting the vessel is like decorating the house,” Zhou said in the PLA Daily report published Friday.

The destroyer entered the water in late June 2017, marking a milestone in improving the nation’s navy armament system and building a strong and modern navy.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:28 pm 
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Why not? For sure "frigate" and "cruiser" are more fitting, because that is for sure not a "torpedoboat destroyer" :D There are no logical rules to distinguish different blue water surface warships (frigates to cruisers). It makes more sense to consider them variants of one single type of warships - similar to the massive size differences of the different cruiser types in 1900. Around 1900 there were cruisers with 1300 t (small protected cruisers and torpedo cruisers, but there were also 14000 t protected cruisers) displacement and 14000 t displacement (some armoured cruisers, but there were also much smaller armoured cruisers below 5000 t).

There is a 1/700 3D model:
https://www.shapeways.com/product/TW72FNVJC/type-055-quot-renhai-quot?optionId=63536498

But as far as I know there is no kit yet. But Dutch Fleet Naval Miniatures makes good 3D designs and FUD printed models are good (WSF are still very problematic because of the surface quality).

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Already, they've launched the 2nd in the class:

China launches second Type 055 destroyer

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Photographs posted on Chinese online forums indicate that a second Type 055 destroyer on order for the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) was launched on 28 April at the Jiangnan Changxingdao shipyard in Shanghai.


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Recently published images indicate that China launched its second Type 055 destroyer on 28 April at the Jiangnan Changxingdao shipyard in Shanghai. (Via haohanfw.com)

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All You Need to Know About China's New Stealth Destroyer

Addressing misconceptions about China’s latest surface combatant, the Type 055 guided-missile destroyer.

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June 08, 2018

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The Type 055 adopts a conventional flared hull with distinctive stealthy features including an enclosed bow, where mooring points, anchor chains and other equipment are hidden belowdecks. The bow armament adopts a similar configuration to the 052C/D, with the main gun located most anterior, followed by a 64 cell block of VLS, and the eleven barrel H/PJ-11 30mm close in weapons system (CIWS).

The main deckhouse is similar to the proven configuration that the preceding 052D adopts, with fixed four face phased array radars (PARs) arranged for overlapping 360 degree coverage. However, the mast atop the deckhouse is a more advanced integrated mast, with sensors and datalinks integrated into a single structure.

Similarly, the amidships area and the smoke stack is a continuous single structure extending from the main deckhouse. A continuous integrated structure not only provides additional volume for various uses (such as amidships RHIB davits), but also reduces deck clutter and the ship’s associated radar cross section. The single integrated smoke stack is notable, as it appears to shield the exhausts from the ship’s gas turbines to a greater degree, likely to reduce infrared signatures and radar cross section.

Moving posteriorly, there is a 48 cell block of VLS, leading to the aft helicopter hangar structure featuring two helicopter hangars. A step structure atop this hangar was once suspected to possibly accommodate a volume search radar, but instead will likely be equipped with a small dome or other electronics. A 24 cell HHQ-10 missile CIWS and four decoy turrets are equipped atop the hangar. A large stern helipad, greater in size than that on the 052C/D destroyers, accommodates the ship’s organic helicopter complement.

There have been some reports that the Type 055 may involve aluminium in its construction, however at this stage there are no credible indicators for this suggestion.

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Total production run

A total of six Type 055s have been visually identified up to this point. Two Type 055s have been launched and are being fitting out at Jiangnan (the first likely to start sea trials later this year), with modules for another Type 055 identified at Jiangnan as well. Two Type055s in late stages of assembly at Dalian will likely be launched later this year, and modules for another Type 055 have been identified at Dalian.

Credible rumors over the years have put the first batch of 055s at greater than 8 ships, so in the foreseeable future it is likely that we will see additional 055 modules at both Jiangnan and Dalian.

We have no indications for the total number of Type 055s the Chinese Navy may seek, but some rumors have suggested the South Sea Fleet’s 9th Destroyer Flotilla may receive the first four Type 055s, followed by the North Sea Fleet’s 1st Destroyer Flotilla. Based on this pattern, it may suggest that the Navy either intends to equip one Destroyer Flotilla of each of their three fleets with four Type 055s, which would indicate a 12 strong Type 055 fleet. However, the Navy may also intend each of the Navy’s six Destroyer Flotillas to be equipped with four Type 055s, which would indicate a 24 strong Type 055 fleet.

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China launched two Type 055 guided-missile destroyers on Tuesday morning, according to witnesses outside a shipyard in Dalian, Liaoning province.

Chinese naval enthusiasts published pictures taken near Dalian Shipbuilding Industry and accounts of the launch on online military forums.
Water started to be pumped into the dry docks where the next-generation destroyers were built around 7 am before the docks’ gates were opened, witnesses said.

Pictures showed a small launch ceremony at the shipyard, with hundreds of workers standing in formation in front of the two destroyers, each decorated with a huge national flag, ceremonial banners and colorful streamers

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The mystery "Renhai" class made an appearance....at the parade mentioned in this other thread. As stated before, this is even larger than the size of a 1930s to WW2-era heavy cruiser!!!!

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April 26, 2019


China's People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) showcased their first new Type 055 Renhai-class large guided missile destroyer / cruiser, as part of a fleet review held to commemorate the PLAN's 70th founding anniversary.

The ship, called Nanchang (101), is the first ship of its class, is still undergoing sea trials and is expected to become the largest surface combatant of the PLAN that is not an aircraft carrier, and its premier escort ship class for future carrier battle groups. The class is considered as a guided missile cruiser by the US Department of Defense.

The Type 055 Renhai-class, including the Nanchang, are around 180 meters long, around 20 meters wide, a draft of around 6.6 meters, and has an estimated displacement of around 13,000 tons - heavier than the US Navy's Ticonderoga-class cruisers.
The ship is powered by four (4) QC-280 gas turbine engines in Combined Gas and Gas (COGAG) configuration, allowing the ship to a sprint to a maximum speed of 30 knots.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:31 am 
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According to Wikipedia the displacement is between 12,000 - 14,000 t (fully loaded).

All Washington type heavy cruisers displaced more than 10,000 t, because 10,000 t was the standard displacement, not the fully loaded one.

One of the smallest, the Pensacola class, displaced 11,697 t, Wichita was 13,224 t, the British County class was in average 14,150 tons...

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Can one now say this is China's answer to the Ticonderoga class AEGIS cruisers?

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A Department of Defense report suggests that the Chinese Navy, formally known as the PLAN (People’s Liberation Army Navy), may put anti-ship ballistic missiles (ASBMs) on its new cruisers. These are the weapons dubbed ‘Aircraft Carrier Killers’ because of their massive hitting power. It would be the first time any navy has put this category of weapon on a warship. Chinese Navy cruisers would then be arguably the most heavily armed surface combatants in the world.
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The 2020 China Military Power Report to Congress says that the new Type-055 Renhai Class cruiser “will likely be able to launch ASBMs and LACMs once these weapons are available”. LACMs refers to land-attack cruise missiles. The report comes in both classified and unclassified forms. In the unclassified version we are not presented with the evidence behind the assertion. But it would be a logical development, and would set Chinese warships apart from all others in the world.
The first Renhai Class cruiser was only commissioned in January of this year. But already the 8th ship has been launched on August 30.
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