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(Source: Australian Minister for Defence Industry; issued April 23, 2018)

The Government has been notified by the Australian Submarine Corporation of a reduction of its workforce as work on the Air Warfare Destroyers winds down.

The slowdown of work for the ASC is the direct result of Labor’s failure to commission a single vessel from an Australian yard.

This inaction has impacted on the stability of shipbuilding jobs as well as the capability of our Navy.

Under Labor, the NUSHIP Sydney would have been the last vessel built at Osborne, however in stark contrast, the Turnbull Government has committed to build 11 new ships at Osborne, and 12 new submarines.

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For those unaware, the company now known as Naval Group used to be called DCNS.

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Naval Group: Talks with Australia still underway for sub buy
By: Pierre Tran   6 days ago

PARIS — Naval Group, a French shipbuilder, sought to play down media reports of a potential collapse of talks for a major contract with Australia for 12 ocean-going submarines, with elections looming next year in the Commonwealth nation.
“We are in the process of pursuing the strategic partnering agreement,” a Naval Group spokesman told Defense News. That agreement covers some 30 years and is an extremely close commitment, he added.
“It is plain logic that that takes time,” he said. “We are not particularly worried. We remain confident."
Naval Group is working under a 2016 design and mobilization contract on the Australian future submarine program, while negotiating the strategic partnering agreement. The latter is a critical contract which moves the French company closer to building the diesel-electric boats in Adelaide under an Australian $50 billion (U.S. $36 billion) deal.

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French submarine boss summoned to Canberra for crisis talks
‘Legitimate policy differences’ and ‘personality clashes’ said to be stalling negotiations with Naval Group, tasked with building Australia’s $50bn new fleet

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The Australian government has summoned the head of the French company tasked with building a $50bn fleet of next-generation submarines for crisis talks in Canberra.
Naval Group chief executive Hervé Guillou travelled from Paris to the national capital for two days of discussions which kicked off on Thursday.
The federal government is yet to finalise a strategic partnering agreement with Naval Group, which is designing Australia’s fleet of 12 new submarines. There are hopes to have the agreement sorted by Christmas.
A defence insider said there are tensions between Naval Group’s executive director in charge of the Australian submarine project, Jean-Michel Billig, and senior Defence officials.(...SNIPPED)

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Australia, Naval Group conclude sub negotiations
By: Nigel Pittaway   2 days ago
MELBOURNE, Australia – Australian Defence Minister Christopher Pyne confirmed that the Australian government has finally concluded negotiations for the formal signing of a strategic partnering agreement for 12 large conventionally-powered attack submarines from Naval Group.
Australia is acquiring the vessels under its $50 billion (U.S. $36.12 billion) Project Sea 1000 (Future Submarine) to replace its existing fleet of six Collins Submarines from the early 2030s.(END EXCERPT)

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2018 7:17 pm 
How much of the work would be done in France and how much in Australia?


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Just when we'd thought we'd heard the last of this deal...

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Naval Group clinches $35 billion Australian submarine deal
By: Christina Mackenzie   10 hours ago
PARIS – France’s Naval Group and Australia on Feb. 11 signed a $35 billion contract to build 12 Attack-class submarines for the Australian navy. Negotiations over the ownership of technology and details of the industrial partnership had been underway since Australia selected the French group in April 2016 as its preferred bidder over Japanese and German offers for the country’s biggest-ever defense contract.
This Strategic Partnering Agreement governing the transfer of Naval Group’s “know-how” and “know-why” to Australia was signed in Canberra, Australian Capital Territory. It sets out the principles of cooperation between the two partners not only for the next 50 years but for any future contracts in the framework of the program.
According to these principles, Naval Group will deliver 12 Attack-class submarines – with construction on the first scheduled to start in late 2023 and to be fully mission-ready for the navy in late 2034. The pact also positions Naval Group to deliver new technologies and advanced manufacturing capabilities to Australia.(...SNIPPED)

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It is interesting that construction of ships and subs seems to take much longer these days. The first Type 26 will take 8, 9 or 10 years to be fully operational. It looks like the first Aussie Barracuda will take 11 years.

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No, that timeline is indeed for the first ship. The construction of the whole fleet will be spaced out to one/year or so after the first ship. Gotta keep those workers working!

Keep in mind, though, that the actual construction probably only takes 4 years or so - the rest is design work (in the case of Canada - have to ensure our shipyard processes match how the ship is assembled, and all the modifications specific to our variant), multiple trials and tests precommissioning, and even more tests and trials (especially with all the advanced weapons and sensors) after commissioning.

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No, that timeline is indeed for the first ship. The construction of the whole fleet will be spaced out to one/year or so after the first ship. Gotta keep those workers working!

Keep in mind, though, that the actual construction probably only takes 4 years or so - the rest is design work (in the case of Canada - have to ensure our shipyard processes match how the ship is assembled, and all the modifications specific to our variant), multiple trials and tests precommissioning, and even more tests and trials (especially with all the advanced weapons and sensors) after commissioning.



Timmy, I appreciate what you say about trials etc. but this is the quote:

"According to these principles, Naval Group will deliver 12 Attack-class submarines – with construction on the first scheduled to start in late 2023 and to be fully mission-ready for the navy in late 2034."

So it looks like more than 4 years for construction, more like 7 or 8? With presumably 3 or 4 years of trials?

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Right, I guess I was thinking more about the Type 26s.

On the overall timeline for the Aussie subs, DW has this to say: https://www.dw.com/en/australia-signs-m ... a-47453125

"The first ships are set to be delivered to the Australian navy in the early 2030s, and the project is set to be completed sometime in the 2050s."

Matches 1 sub per year (or every two years), it seems.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-05-15/ ... ONOcgajWwI
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Australia to pay multi-million-dollar penalties to French submarine builders if deal collapses
Exclusive by defence correspondent Andrew Greene
Updated 14 May 2019, 3:54pm
The submarine is pictured underwater, and from behind, with the propulsion units shown. multi-million-dollar compensation payments to France if the future submarine program is terminated, according to leaked figures obtained by the ABC.
Key points:

Australia could pay more than $400 million if it terminates the submarine contract early
Leaked documents show the "break payments" would go to the French submarine builder, Naval Group
The Government has confirmed the break clause payment but refused to discuss the details

The "break payments" are outlined in the confidential Strategic Partnering Agreement (SPA) that guides the $50 billion project, which was signed in February by France and Australia's defence ministers.

In 2016, former prime minister Malcolm Turnbull announced Naval Group (then known as DCNS) had beaten rival bids from Germany and Japan to build 12 new submarines for the Royal Australian Navy over the next three decades.

The ABC has now obtained a section of the confidential SPA document, prepared last year, detailing at which point certain "break payments" will be invoked if Australia decides to walk away from the massive contract.(...SNIPPED)


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Future-proofing the Attack class (part 1): propulsion and endurance
14 Jun 2019|Derek Woolner and David Glynne Jones
A major challenge in the decades-long program to build the Royal Australian Navy’s new submarines, the Attack class, will be ensuring that they incorporate emerging transformational advances in propulsion technology.

Between 2025 and 2030, the continuing rapid evolution of lithium-ion battery technology will enable the Attack-class boats to stay fully submerged on low-speed patrols for up to 40 days without recharging. By 2035, that could increase to up to 60 days. And by 2050, it’s conceivable that the next generation of light-metal batteries will enable the boats to go on an 80-day long-transit mission without the need to resurface and recharge.

In ASPI’s Agenda for change 2019, Marcus Hellyer recommended that the government commission an independent review of the Royal Australian Navy’s plans for its future submarines. That wouldn’t be easy, considering that many independent experts have already approved crucial aspects of the program.

Hellyer suggests that significant issues include the adequacy of the scheduled delivery date in light of Australia’s deteriorating strategic circumstances, and he urges another look at nuclear propulsion.

Neither of those things should preoccupy Defence Minister Linda Reynolds. While managing the schedule for the Attack class is certainly important, a bigger challenge is aligning design and construction plans with the advances in propulsion technology that will revolutionise conventional submarines. If that’s not done, the program is unlikely to meet its objectives, with consequences that could undermine Australia’s strategic posture.

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Breaking French submarine contract a ‘bargain’ at $330m
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Submarines For Australia's Gary Johnston says breaking a contract for French submarines at a cost of $330 million would be a “bargain”

Speaking to Sky News, Mr Johnston said the naval group making the submarines are “having a go of us” with their quote of $6 billion for the design of the machines.

Mr Johnston said Australia would be “far better off” buying existing French nuclear machines as they are “off the shelf”.

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Eastern Australia ports to be a possible basing option for some of these new RAN Barracudas?

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Defence looking at Port Kembla for a new Navy submarine base
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Go east: The Royal Australian Navy's fleet of new submarines - the Shortfin Barracuda - could end up based at Port Kembla.
Port Kembla could become home to the new submarine fleet now under construction in a "two-ocean" concept.
Defence is considering the strategic option of basing the future submarines on the east coast.
Port Kembla and Newcastle are understood to be the leading options.
Defence is working on a report looking into the various options to be presented to the federal government.
"Defence is conducting studies and a range of operational and support modelling to identify the most effective and efficient options for positioning of the Attack class submarine force," said Defence Minister Senator Linda Reynolds.
"Defence studies and modelling include a two-ocean basing concept."
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the RAN now changing its future subs to SSNs?

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Submarines may be switched to nuclear, says navy vice admiral
By Andrew Greene on AM
Australia's navy chief says it's possible the country's future submarine fleet could eventually switch to nuclear power.
Vice Admiral Mike Noonan has opened an international maritime conference in Sydney, where he says defence is keeping a close eye on emerging technologies.
Duration: 2min 35sec
Broadcast: Wed 9 Oct 2019, 8:12am

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Billion-dollar correction in Australia's Future Submarine budget blamed on 'typo'
By Defence Correspondent Andrew Greene
Posted 2 days ago, updated1 day ago
A "typo" is being blamed for an apparent dramatic cost increase on Australia's most expensive defence project in history, the $50 billion Future Submarine program.
Key points:

*The government approved a $4.9 billion injection for the 2018-19 financial year
*About $3.7 billion was attributed to "real increases needed to fund underestimates or budget overruns"
*A senior Defence figure said the figure was "described inaccurately", because the money had already been provisioned


According to the Defence Department's annual report released last week, the government approved a $4.9 billion injection for the project during the 2018-19 financial year, taking the total budget to date to almost $6 billion.
Further examination of the figures reveals $1.3 billion of extra funding was due to a change in the project's "scope", while a further $3.7 billion was attributed to "real increases needed to fund underestimates or budget overruns".
A senior Defence figure told the ABC the latter figure was "described inaccurately", because the money had already been provisioned to cover not only future submarine design work, but Adelaide shipyard equipment and workforce over the next few years.
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November 9, 2019 Topic: Security Region: Asia Pacific Blog Brand: The Buzz Tags: AustraliaSubmarinesDefense SpendingNavyMilitary
Australia's Futuristic Submarine Could Be A Real Budget Buster
Even if we don't know yet how much it will cost.

by Andrew Davies Marcus Hellyer
We’ve known for a while that SEA 1000, the Defence Department’s future submarine program, is going to cost a lot of money—we just haven’t known exactly how much. But as time moves on and Defence releases more data, we’re starting to get a better sense of the program’s cost.
Let’s review what we know about the cost of the program. In 2012, ASPI estimated it to be around $36 billion, in constant dollars, which doesn’t take inflation into account. But the Australian government, including the Defence Department, works in ‘out-turned’ dollars, which includes an allowance for inflation. Once out-turned, that number becomes $50–60 billion.
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Naval Group will design weapon discharge system for Attack-class submarines of Australian Navy
Posted On Sunday, 24 November 2019 14:51
On November 23, 2019, Minister for Defence of Australia has announced that Naval Group has signed a subcontract with Babcock International Group PLC for the design of the weapon discharge system for the Attack-class submarines. The Attack-class submarine is a future class of submarines for the Royal Australian Navy based on the Shortfin Barracuda proposal by French shipbuilder Naval Group (formerly known as DCNS) to replace the Collins-class submarines.

The development of the weapon discharge system is critical to the overall design of the Attack class submarine. Its purpose is to launch the submarine main weapons, including torpedoes and anti-ship missiles.

Babcock is a proven in‑service supporter for systems that have already been installed on the Collins class submarine and Hobart class guided-missile destroyers. The subcontract with Babcock will support the operation and sustainment of the Attack class while maximizing the involvement of the Australian industry.

The Liberal-National Government’s $50 billion Attack class program will see 12 regionally superior submarines designed and built in Australia, for the Navy.
Our Government is committed to maximizing local industry involvement in the Attack class program to ensure Australians get the most out of this important national investment.
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November 29 2019 - 4:13PM
New sub fleet blows out to $225 billion
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Australia's new fleet of submarines will ultimately cost $225b over their lifetime.
Australia's new 12-strong submarine fleet will cost taxpayers $225 billion, an estimates committee has been told.
Rear Admiral Greg Sammut said there was an $80 billion build cost, which was originally touted by defence to be $50 billion.
There would also be an $145 billion support and maintenance cost over the lifetime of the attack subs until 2080.

"It is only an estimate of the sustainment of the fleet, we are designing the sub today," Read Admiral Sammut said.
The submarines are being built in a contract with French submarine company Naval Group.
The $80 billion build cost also covered other infrastructure related to the submarines, including upgrades to the wharves where they'd be housed.
Defence heads also said there was a high risk the new submarines would not be ready by the early 2030s.
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Richard Marles says the federal government is bungling the future submarines program.
Labor has accused the Morrison government of "profoundly compromising" national security by bungling the purchase of new submarines.
Opposition defence spokesman Richard Marles argues the fleet is needed more than ever because of the fallout from coronavirus.
"COVID has given rise to greater instability within our region and the world. COVID has created questions to which there are no answers," Mr Marles told the National Press Club on Tuesday.
"And this has raised our strategic challenge to an entirely different level. And so the need for future submarines which will help meet this challenge has quite simply never been greater."
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Updated Collins class SSKs instead of the Barracudas?

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Shot across the bows on submarine contract
Andrew Tillett
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Jan 18, 2021 – 12.00am

Top Defence officials are examining the possibility of replacing the ageing Collins class submarine with an updated version of the original boat and cutting adrift the current contract with the French amid mounting frustration over cost blowouts and missed deadlines.

The Australian Financial Review understands Prime Minister Scott Morrison is increasingly exasperated over the troubled $80 billion project, with tensions rising between the Defence Department and the French designer Naval Group.

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