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Anyone else here think that the AOPs could be better armed?

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Rosborough Boats to build multi-role rescue boats for Canadian AOPS

Irving Shipbuilding has awarded Nova Scotia-based Rosborough Boats a $7.3 million contract to build multi-role rescue boats for the Arctic and Offshore Patrol Ships (AOPS).

Rosborough Boats will construct two of their Rough Water 8.5 metre rigid hull inflatable boats (RHIB) for each of the six AOPS vessels being constructed at Irving Shipbuilding’s Halifax Shipyard as part of Canada’s National Shipbuilding Strategy (NSS).

When deployed, the RHIBs primary roles will be as a fast rescue boat, for marshalling and towing lifeboats, and deploying and supporting the Royal Canadian Navy’s enhanced naval boarding party.

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They could, but don't need to...yet. At least they're big enough to backfit heavier weapons if needed.

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There is a danger in arming AOPs or OPVs with bigger weapons: they can then be used as substitutes for frigates (at least in the eyes of politicians) and then you suddenly find you are not getting all of the frigates you need to replace the ones which are being retired. I fear that this is what is happening to the RN.

Instead of getting 13 Type 26 frigates they will get 8 and some Type 31s (number and design not known yet even by MoD!). But to keep shipbuilding ticking over (just!) there will be more OPV which are not wanted or needed.

So beware RCN, this could be the slippery slope!

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Irving concerned 'speed of decision-making' in Ottawa will add to shipbuilding gap
Production of Arctic ships set to wind down in 2019, creating lull at Halifax shipyard before next project

By Murray Brewster, CBC News Posted: Mar 28, 2017 7:44 PM ET Last Updated: Mar 28, 2017 7:44 PM ET


Federal officials are examining an unofficial proposal to extend construction of the Arctic offshore patrol ships to keep the Irving-owned Halifax Shipyard operating until the navy is ready to start building replacement frigates, CBC News has learned.

The discussions, according to several sources, have been quietly going on for months and involve adding two light icebreakers to the existing schedule, vessels that would be made available for the Canadian Coast Guard.

The cost of extending the current program would be roughly $600 million, said industry and government sources who spoke to CBC News on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the file.

The idea has been extensively discussed at "the officials' and [director general] level," said one source with direct knowledge of the discussions

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Which - good news - means the AOPS construction process is proceeding on schedule!

Slow down, Irving!

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Finally some news coming from the Canadian Senate other than the Senator Meredith scandal!

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Canada’s new Arctic ships – limited capability and slower than a BC ferry, say Senators
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Published on: May 10, 2017 | Last Updated: May 10, 2017 10:23 AM EDAOPS sized best


The Senate Defence committee in its most recent report has voiced serious concerns about the capabilities of the Arctic Offshore Patrol Ships.

Here is what the Senators had to say:

“This (concern) is based on the fact that that these ships cannot operate in ice more than a metre thick, are slower than a BC Ferry, can only operate in the arctic from June to October and will require a coast guard escort when in the northern waters. These capabilities should be independently reviewed to meet Canada’s sovereignty needs.

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Of course, the report does not explain why the AOPS needs to go fast. It ignores that if high speed pursuit is necessary, AOPS has an organic helicopter capability that is much better suited for going after high speed craft - as the USCG has learned over the last thirty years when they've decided all offshore patrol ships need to have a helicopter.

As for an independent assessment, I already did that here - not to say it's flawless (and there are some errors I've found afterwards, as well as developments on the Russian side that changes the calculus a little bit), but it addresses most of the criticisms levelled at the class.

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Timmy C wrote:

As for an independent assessment, I already did that here -


It simply says "404 not found/error" or "No Results found" when one clicks on your CDA Institute hyperlink.

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Pics at the link below:

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Canadian Navy’s first AOPS HMCS Harry DeWolf takes shape

Irving Shipbuilding has transported the last major section of the Royal Canadian Navy’s first Arctic and Offshore Patrol Ship – the future HMCS Harry DeWolf – from inside the Halifax Shipyard’s indoor shipbuilding facility outside to land level.

As the bow section was joined together with the previously connected center- and stern sections, the HMCS Harry DeWolf assumed the form of a fully assembled ship.

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Construction starts on third Canadian Navy AOPS HMCS Max Bernays

Canadian shipbuilder Irving Shipbuilding hosted a steel-cutting ceremony on December 19, marking the construction start on the Royal Canadian Navy’s third arctic and offshore patrol ship (AOPS), the HMCS Max Bernays.

Carla Qualtrough, Canadian public services and procurement minister, announced the start of construction works at the ceremony in Halifax, Nova Scotia.

Future HMCS Max Bernays follows its predecessor ships HMCS Harry DeWolf and HMCS Margaret Brooke which started construction in September 2015 and August 2016, respectively.


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Canada’s new arctic patrol ships little more than floating security guards
By Robert Smol. Published on Apr 11, 2018 5:12pm

"The Royal Canadian Navy, to its credit, has already made it clear to our politicians that the AOPS are not designed and built to go to war and they will not be used tactically in any sovereignty dispute with the Russians. Our newest so-called warships will be all sight and no fight!"


No doubt there will be much celebration and self-congratulation when Canada’s newest naval vessel the HMCS Harry DeWolf, now nearing completion in the Irving Shipyards in Halifax, will be launched this summer. This event, once it happens, will end a 20 year hiatus of naval shipbuilding in this country.

The Harry DeWolf will be the first in a series of six Arctic Offshore Patrol Ships (AOPS) designed to meet Canada’s commitment to assert its sovereignty in the increasingly accessible waterways spanning the Arctic.

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Slow down, Irving!


You were saying? Be careful what your wish for when it comes to slowing down...

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Government worries about 18-month gap between construction of navy ships, considers more work for Irving shipyard
The navy is helping to promote the AOPS to international customers in the hopes of drumming up more work to shrink the size of the construction gap


David Pugliese, Ottawa Citizen

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6:25 PM EDT

The gap between the building of new ships for the navy could be as much as 18 months, opening the possibility of east coast shipyard employees to be laid off.

But the Defence department’s top equipment official says changes to the shipbuilding procurement process will reduce some, but not all, of that gap. Workers that could be affected would be blue-collar shipyard employees at Irving Shipbuilding.

The 18-month gap between finishing construction of the fleet of Arctic Offshore Patrol Ships or AOPS and starting the new Canadian Surface Combatant vessels at Irving shipyards in Halifax is outlined in documents obtained by Postmedia through the Access to Information law.

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In the wake of Sophie Gregoire Trudeau naming the first of the AOPS:

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Irving Shipbuilding pushing for two more Arctic/Offshore Patrol Ships, all Halifax-class work

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Updated: October 16, 2018
Efforts are underway by Irving Shipbuilding to convince the federal government to build two more Arctic and Offshore Patrol Ships at its Halifax yard. Irving also wants all Halifax-class frigate maintenance work to remain with the yard in Nova Scotia.
The federal government is looking at splitting up maintenance work on the Canadian navy’s frigates between Irving and Davie in Quebec. It is facing objections from Irving and its workers. The Irving employees warn the change will mean lost jobs in Nova Scotia.
There are seven frigates that will need maintenance on the east coast over a five-year period. But military and Department of National Defence officials are concerned the Irving yard in Halifax won’t be able to handle all the work as it will also be in the midst of building the new fleet of Canadian Surface Combatant warships. There are concerns that the navy’s capabilities could suffer if the work isn’t split up between Davie and Irving yards.

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The Sixth in the class to cost TWICE as much as each of the previous ships?

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Construction of sixth Arctic patrol ship at Irving Shipbuilding to cost $800M — double the cost of the other five
The project was originally to build five AOPS and only proceed with a sixth if Irving could find savings and work within the existing budget. That didn’t happen
David Pugliese, Ottawa Citizen
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Building a sixth Arctic patrol ship to add to the five originally commissioned from Irving Shipbuilding for the Royal Canadian Navy will cost taxpayers $800 million — double the price-tag of each of the other vessels. The Liberal government announced the construction of the sixth Arctic and Offshore Patrol Ship, or AOPS, last week after a push by Irving and its employees for additional work. The construction of the sixth vessel shows the government’s commitment “to maximizing stable employment” for Irving while providing equipment to the navy, Carla Qualtrough, Minister of Public Services and Procurement Canada, said in a statement. Each Arctic and Offshore Patrol Ship, or AOPS, costs $400 million. But the decision to build another such vessel comes with additional costs since the federal government is stretching out construction of that ship and a number of others to allow Irving employees to retain their jobs until a new fleet of larger warships, called Canadian Surface Combatants, is ready for construction. (...SNIPPED)

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Not the ship itself, but the cost of having a sixth ship. Those are two different things.

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"Each Arctic and Offshore Patrol Ship, or AOPS, costs $400 million. But the decision to build another such vessel comes with additional costs since the federal government is stretching out construction of that ship and a number of others"

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The CO of the first in the class weighs in:

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Interview with Cdr Corey L.E. Gleason, Commanding Officer of the future HMCS Harry DeWolf
Marcello Sukhdeo Mar 12 2019
In 2015, Cdr Corey L.E. Gleason was appointed the Commanding Officer of the future HMCS Harry DeWolf, the first of six Arctic Offshore Patrol Vessels that is being built for the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN) through the National Shipbuilding Strategy (NSS).
Cdr Gleason has a wealth of knowledge and experience that he brings to his current role by serving in different positions in the RCN for over three decades.
Originally from Welland, ON, Cdr Corey Gleason joined the RCN in the summer of 1985 and began his training as a Naval Signalman in Esquimalt B.C. He was assigned to HMCS Protecteur in Halifax N.S. upon completion of his training. While in Halifax, he served in multiple ships, participated in many other NATO exercises, and was support staff to Standing Naval Force Atlantic. In 1991, he was recruited to the West Coast to serve in the Training Squadron. While serving in Esquimalt B.C., he was crew to several ships including HMCS Ottawa where he deployed for Operation APOLLO in support of the war on terrorism.
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Irving Shipbuilding in the news again:

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A reporter asked the government about a Navy ship — then got a call from an Irving president
'I asked the federal government for comment. Irving isn't part of the federal government': David Pugliese
CBC Radio · Posted: Mar 18, 2019 6:25 PM ET | Last Updated: March 18
Ninety minutes after Postmedia reporter David Pugliese submitted questions to two government departments about a possible issue on a navy ship, he received a phone call from the president of Irving Shipbuilding.
Pugliese was following up on a tip about potential problems with the welding on the new Arctic patrol ships that Irving is building for the Royal Canadian Navy. He submitted his questions to the Department of National Defense and Public Services and Procurement Canada.
But instead of receiving a response from the federal government, he received a phone call from Irving Shipbuilding president Kevin McCoy
, followed by an email from the company threatening to sue.
The defence department has confirmed it contacted Irving and informed them of Pugliese's identity, and says it is investigating whether this violates the Privacy Act.
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A belated update from last week:

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Arctic simulation for patrol ships [CS19D2]
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Kongsberg Digital (Booth 915) is nearing completion of a state-of- the-art simulation upgrade to the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN) for training on the Arctic and Offshore Patrol Ship (AOPS) programme, which will deliver six ice-capable Harry DeWolf-class ships.
Based on the K-Sim Navigation technology platform, the simulators are scheduled for delivery to Naval Fleet Schools Atlantic and Pacific in 2019, with future ability to expand to all 24 Naval Reserve Divisions across the country.
The upgrade is being carried out under an existing in-service support programme that provides the RCN with continuous updates to the latest simulator technology. The delivery includes a high-fidelity ship model with six degrees of freedom, emulated navigation radars and a forward-looking echo sounder.
The K-Sim Navigation simulators will also be integrated with Rutter Sigma S6 Ice Radars, allowing RCN naval warfare officers and supporting bridge team members of the regular force and naval reserves to train for the Canadian and Arctic environments in which the vessels will be operating. Kongsberg Digital will deliver new integration technologies to provide a seamless experience with the radar, closely mirroring its use during navigation at sea.
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Delivery of first new Arctic patrol ship delayed again, but still expected sometime in 2019
The Royal Canadian Navy and DND had expected the first of the Harry DeWolf-class ships to be delivered in the summer. That won’t be happening
David Pugliese, Ottawa Citizen
Updated: August 20, 2019
The delivery of the first of the Arctic and Offshore Patrol Ships has been delayed once again, but Defence department officials are hopeful the vessel will arrive some time this year.
The Royal Canadian Navy and the Department of National Defence had expected the first of the Harry DeWolf-class ships to be delivered in the summer. That won’t be happening, confirmed DND spokeswoman Jessica Lamirande.
“Given the complexity of delivering a first-of-class ship, some delays have occurred,” Lamirande noted. “The ship is scheduled to proceed to sea trials in September, and the forecasted final delivery has shifted to beyond the summer timeframe.”
No specific time frame has been set for the delivery but Lamirande noted the first vessel will still arrive sometime in 2019.
She said once Irving Shipbuilding finished its sea trials on the ship, the Canadian Forces will begin its own acceptance trials.
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