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Anyone else here think that the AOPs could be better armed?

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Rosborough Boats to build multi-role rescue boats for Canadian AOPS

Irving Shipbuilding has awarded Nova Scotia-based Rosborough Boats a $7.3 million contract to build multi-role rescue boats for the Arctic and Offshore Patrol Ships (AOPS).

Rosborough Boats will construct two of their Rough Water 8.5 metre rigid hull inflatable boats (RHIB) for each of the six AOPS vessels being constructed at Irving Shipbuilding’s Halifax Shipyard as part of Canada’s National Shipbuilding Strategy (NSS).

When deployed, the RHIBs primary roles will be as a fast rescue boat, for marshalling and towing lifeboats, and deploying and supporting the Royal Canadian Navy’s enhanced naval boarding party.

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They could, but don't need to...yet. At least they're big enough to backfit heavier weapons if needed.

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There is a danger in arming AOPs or OPVs with bigger weapons: they can then be used as substitutes for frigates (at least in the eyes of politicians) and then you suddenly find you are not getting all of the frigates you need to replace the ones which are being retired. I fear that this is what is happening to the RN.

Instead of getting 13 Type 26 frigates they will get 8 and some Type 31s (number and design not known yet even by MoD!). But to keep shipbuilding ticking over (just!) there will be more OPV which are not wanted or needed.

So beware RCN, this could be the slippery slope!

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Irving concerned 'speed of decision-making' in Ottawa will add to shipbuilding gap
Production of Arctic ships set to wind down in 2019, creating lull at Halifax shipyard before next project

By Murray Brewster, CBC News Posted: Mar 28, 2017 7:44 PM ET Last Updated: Mar 28, 2017 7:44 PM ET


Federal officials are examining an unofficial proposal to extend construction of the Arctic offshore patrol ships to keep the Irving-owned Halifax Shipyard operating until the navy is ready to start building replacement frigates, CBC News has learned.

The discussions, according to several sources, have been quietly going on for months and involve adding two light icebreakers to the existing schedule, vessels that would be made available for the Canadian Coast Guard.

The cost of extending the current program would be roughly $600 million, said industry and government sources who spoke to CBC News on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the file.

The idea has been extensively discussed at "the officials' and [director general] level," said one source with direct knowledge of the discussions

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Which - good news - means the AOPS construction process is proceeding on schedule!

Slow down, Irving!

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Finally some news coming from the Canadian Senate other than the Senator Meredith scandal!

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Published on: May 10, 2017 | Last Updated: May 10, 2017 10:23 AM EDAOPS sized best


The Senate Defence committee in its most recent report has voiced serious concerns about the capabilities of the Arctic Offshore Patrol Ships.

Here is what the Senators had to say:

“This (concern) is based on the fact that that these ships cannot operate in ice more than a metre thick, are slower than a BC Ferry, can only operate in the arctic from June to October and will require a coast guard escort when in the northern waters. These capabilities should be independently reviewed to meet Canada’s sovereignty needs.

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Of course, the report does not explain why the AOPS needs to go fast. It ignores that if high speed pursuit is necessary, AOPS has an organic helicopter capability that is much better suited for going after high speed craft - as the USCG has learned over the last thirty years when they've decided all offshore patrol ships need to have a helicopter.

As for an independent assessment, I already did that here - not to say it's flawless (and there are some errors I've found afterwards, as well as developments on the Russian side that changes the calculus a little bit), but it addresses most of the criticisms levelled at the class.

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Timmy C wrote:

As for an independent assessment, I already did that here -


It simply says "404 not found/error" or "No Results found" when one clicks on your CDA Institute hyperlink.

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Thanks, fixed.

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Pics at the link below:

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Canadian Navy’s first AOPS HMCS Harry DeWolf takes shape

Irving Shipbuilding has transported the last major section of the Royal Canadian Navy’s first Arctic and Offshore Patrol Ship – the future HMCS Harry DeWolf – from inside the Halifax Shipyard’s indoor shipbuilding facility outside to land level.

As the bow section was joined together with the previously connected center- and stern sections, the HMCS Harry DeWolf assumed the form of a fully assembled ship.

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Construction starts on third Canadian Navy AOPS HMCS Max Bernays

Canadian shipbuilder Irving Shipbuilding hosted a steel-cutting ceremony on December 19, marking the construction start on the Royal Canadian Navy’s third arctic and offshore patrol ship (AOPS), the HMCS Max Bernays.

Carla Qualtrough, Canadian public services and procurement minister, announced the start of construction works at the ceremony in Halifax, Nova Scotia.

Future HMCS Max Bernays follows its predecessor ships HMCS Harry DeWolf and HMCS Margaret Brooke which started construction in September 2015 and August 2016, respectively.


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Canada’s new arctic patrol ships little more than floating security guards
By Robert Smol. Published on Apr 11, 2018 5:12pm

"The Royal Canadian Navy, to its credit, has already made it clear to our politicians that the AOPS are not designed and built to go to war and they will not be used tactically in any sovereignty dispute with the Russians. Our newest so-called warships will be all sight and no fight!"


No doubt there will be much celebration and self-congratulation when Canada’s newest naval vessel the HMCS Harry DeWolf, now nearing completion in the Irving Shipyards in Halifax, will be launched this summer. This event, once it happens, will end a 20 year hiatus of naval shipbuilding in this country.

The Harry DeWolf will be the first in a series of six Arctic Offshore Patrol Ships (AOPS) designed to meet Canada’s commitment to assert its sovereignty in the increasingly accessible waterways spanning the Arctic.

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Timmy C wrote:
Slow down, Irving!


You were saying? Be careful what your wish for when it comes to slowing down...

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Government worries about 18-month gap between construction of navy ships, considers more work for Irving shipyard
The navy is helping to promote the AOPS to international customers in the hopes of drumming up more work to shrink the size of the construction gap


David Pugliese, Ottawa Citizen

May 2, 2018
6:25 PM EDT

The gap between the building of new ships for the navy could be as much as 18 months, opening the possibility of east coast shipyard employees to be laid off.

But the Defence department’s top equipment official says changes to the shipbuilding procurement process will reduce some, but not all, of that gap. Workers that could be affected would be blue-collar shipyard employees at Irving Shipbuilding.

The 18-month gap between finishing construction of the fleet of Arctic Offshore Patrol Ships or AOPS and starting the new Canadian Surface Combatant vessels at Irving shipyards in Halifax is outlined in documents obtained by Postmedia through the Access to Information law.

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