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Hunter-killer subs again at issue:

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27 Nov 2018
Military.com | By Matthew Cox
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Lawmakers, however, were concerned about the more immediate problem of the Navy's submarine shortfall.
Sen. Mike Rounds, R-South Dakota, said that retired Adm. Harry Harris, former head of U.S. Pacific command, had testified that "only half his requirement for attack submarines in the Pacific theater was being met."
"This challenge will only grow worse in the 2020s as attack submarines retire at a faster rate," Rounds said. "How is the Navy planning to mitigate the attack submarine shortfall in the 2020s?"
James Geurts, assistant secretary of the Navy for research, development and acquisition, said the most "looming shortfall ahead of us in terms of capability is in attack subs."
Geurts said the service is ramping up Virginia-class submarine production to two per year, with the potential of producing more than two down the road.
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A solution to the sub shortage mentioned above?


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The Navy Is Preparing to Counter a Submarine Shortage
The service plans to buy more submarines, extend the service lives of older subs.

By Kyle Mizokami
Nov 28, 2018
The U.S. Navy is planning to grow its fleet of warships and it’s not leaving submarines behind. The service plans to accelerate the number of submarines it buys per year while refurbishing older boats to keep them in service longer. The service believes it needs to increase the size of the fleet to meet current mission requirements, including a growing Chinese Navy.
The U.S. Navy maintained scores of attack submarines during the Cold War to deter the Soviet Navy. In 1987, at the height of the Reagan defense buildup, the service had a powerful fleet of 102 highly capable nuclear-powered attack submarines. By 1999, eight years after the fall of the USSR, that number that had dipped to a historical low of just 57 attack submarines, the smallest number since 1939. As of September 2018, the U.S. Navy had 50 attack submarines, plus another four guided missile submarines capable of launching large numbers of Tomahawk land attack cruise missiles.
As part of the U.S. Navy’s buildup from 287 to 355 ships, the Navy also plans to grow its submarine fleet. According to Military.com, the Navy is preparing to grow the submarine force in line with the rest of the Navy by 2034. The service plans to grow the fleet to 66 attack submarines, a total that includes 18 Virginia-class nuclear-powered attack submarines currently in service, several Virginias currently under construction, and finally another 30 new Virginias by 2034. That amounts to approximately two new submarines brought into service a year. It also plans to refurbish another seven older Los Angeles-class attack submarines to push their effective service lives out to 40+ years.
Starting in 2034, the Navy plans to begin purchasing a next generation attack submarine known as SSN(X). The Navy is also looking to purchase five new guided missile submarines to replace the converted Ohio-class submarines. Four Ohio-class ballistic missile submarines were converted in the 2000s to carry up to 154 Tomahawk cruise missiles each. The converted Ohio ships are so useful the Navy is adding more missile silos to existing Virginia submarines to fill the gap as the Ohios are retired in the 2020s, then build five more ships to replace them outright.
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Back to carrier numbers:

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8 Dec 2018
Daily Press (Newport News, Va.) | By Hugh Lessig

A key senator said he is concerned about lingering problems with weapons elevators on the aircraft carrier Gerald R. Ford, even as the Pentagon is set to decide whether to fast-track purchases of the new carrier class.

Sen. James Inhofe said he's not yet opposed to purchasing two carriers at once from Huntington Ingalls Industries (HII).
However, he has spoken to Defense Secretary James Mattis about his concerns. The 2019 defense authorization bill puts the decision on a two-carrier purchase in Mattis' hands.

Supporters say the bulk buy will create economies of scale and save at least $2.5 billion.
It would also shore up smaller defense contractors that supply HII's Newport News Shipbuilding division with parts and services.

The Newport News yard is the sole manufacturer of nuclear-powered aircraft carriers for the Navy.

Inhofe, a Republican from Oklahoma, is succeeding the late John McCain as chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee. His assessment on a proposed two-carrier buy came after a visit to the HII shipyard at Newport News on Dec. 3.

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More to add to the headache of the submarine shortage, among other naval headaches:

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CAPITOL HILL: Navy readiness is “heading in the wrong direction,” the Government Accountability Office told the Senate this morning, with only 15 percent of Navy F-35Cs rated “fully mission capable.” At the same hearing, a four-star admiral acknowledged three nuclear-powered attack submarines were still stuck awaiting overhaul, with the USS Boise expected to be out of action for a total of six years.
The hearing comes just days after two Marine Corps aircraft crashed off the coast of Japan, killing seven. 2017 had been “a horrible year” for Marine aviation with 20 deaths, commandant Gen. Robert Neller, said back in January. 2018 had been much better — with no Marine aviation deaths and just one “Class A Mishap” doing more than $2 million in damage — until last Thursday’s crash. Aviation is an inherently risky profession and aviation mishaps are often considered a canary in the coal mine for wider readiness problems caused by funding shortfalls, maintenance bottlenecks, or excessive stress on the force.
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Seems there will always be budget woes, even if the current administration presents itself as being a staunch supporter of the US military:

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By: David B. Larter   2 days ago
Cuts to new ships, aircraft, maintenance and much-needed public shipyard modernization are on deck if Congress can’t come to an agreement to avert across-the-board cuts to the defense budget by January of 2020, according to a document submitted to lawmakers Dec. 12.
The document, used by Navy Secretary Richard Spencer at a recent Senate Armed Services readiness subcommittee hearing, shows the potential impact of cuts on various states and congressional districts. And while most of the line items are vague about specific cuts, there are some troubling indications about where the Navy could be looking to take risks, and it’s familiar story.
Renovations to naval shipyards could be deferred, part of the 20-year, $21 billion plan to modernize the public shipyards, the document reads. Furthermore, the Navy is eyeing cuts to ship maintenance availabilities, a move that tends to have a cascading effect, creating delays and degrading the material condition of ships on the waterfront for years into the future.
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A two-carrier buy on the way?

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Pentagon notifies Congress of two-carrier buy, contract expected by end of January
The US Department of Defense has officially notified the Congress of its intention to buy two aircraft carriers at once in a move that is expected to bring some $4 billion in savings.

In a letter on December 31, the Pentagon formally informed the Congress about the block buy of two Ford-class aircraft carriers.

US Senator Tim Kaine, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, welcomed the announcement.

“This smart move will save taxpayer dollars and help ensure the shipyards can maintain a skilled workforce to get the job done. Newport News builds the finest carriers in the world, and I know they are ready to handle this increase in work as we make progress toward the Navy’s goal of a 355-ship fleet,” Kaine said.

Following the confirmation, the navy could award the official contract by the end of January, according to USNI News.
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The sealift program again:


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By: David B. Larter   5 hours ago
ARLINGTON, Va. – The U.S. Navy is moving toward settling on an approach for recapitalizing the nation’s aged sealift fleet, moving away from a single common hull for five missions.
The sealift fleet, which is facing the prospect of an imminent collapse in capacity due to the ships all reaching or exceeding their hull life according to the U.S. Army, is what the U.S. would use to transport up to 90 percent of Army and U.S. Marine Corps gear in the event of a major conflict overseas.
The program, known as the Common Hull Auxiliary Multi-Mission Platform, was envisioned as we way to recapitalize the country’s surge sealift force and replace other auxiliary ships such as hospital ships and submarine tenders with a common hull form.
But the Navy found after studies last year that one hull simply wasn’t going to work for all the disparate functions the Navy was looking to fulfill with the platform. Now, the Navy thinks it has a better answer: Two platforms.
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Relevant to this thread because of the number of carriers that would form part of the fleet will be affected :

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Stealth Can't Stop This: What Could Kill the F-35 Program (and Aircraft Carriers)

One word: deficits.
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Another $18 billion would be saved ff the Navy stops building Ford-class aircraft carriers after the third vessel in the series is completed. CBO points out that the existing fleet and the carriers under construction would maintain the current size of the carrier force for a long time because the ships are designed to operate or 50 years,” CBO said. “Three Ford class carriers, including the Enterprise, have been delivered or are under construction. They will replace the first three Nimitz-class carriers when they are retired in the 2020s and early 2030s; so as late as 2036, the Navy would still field 11 carriers under this option.”

Other options include canceling development of the B-21 stealth bomber, slashing the Navy’s ambitious plan to buy 301 ships over the next 30 years, and reducing the number of nuclear weapons.


To be fair to the CBO budgeteers, they didn’t study their spreadsheets wearing rose-colored glasses. The report acknowledges that the various options could backfire. Improved air defenses could make the U.S. regret returning to non-stealthy aircraft, while freezing aircraft carrier construction after the third Ford-class ship would result in the Navy declining to just six carriers by 2048.

Politically and institutionally, it is hard to imagine the Pentagon halting flagship projects like the F-35. Nonetheless, with the federal deficit growing, the military is likely to see some lean years.

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2 more CVNs on the way:

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US Navy signs mammoth contract with Huntington Ingalls for two aircraft carriers
By: David B. Larter   7 hours ago
WASHINGTON — The U.S. Navy has signed a $14.9 billion contract with shipbuilder Huntington Ingalls for two Ford-class aircraft carriers, the Navy announced Thursday evening.
By buying two carriers simultaneously, the Navy expects to save $4 billion, according to a Navy release.
Navy Secretary Richard Spencer hailed the deal as a team effort and said the contract will create stability for the skilled workforce and create savings as a result.
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A major command's admiral weighs in even as the issue of the Fitzgerald collision is again discussed in the public spotlight (even in at least one thread here).

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Admiral to Congress: Think about the 280-plus ships that didn’t have collisions
By: David B. Larter   1 day ago
WASHINGTON — In a tense exchange before the Senate Armed Services Committee, the four-star admiral who led the U.S. Navy’s internal review into two deadly collisions in 2017 told members that while two ships had tragic accidents that year, the rest of the fleet was collision-free.

Adm. Phil Davidson, now head of U.S. Pacific Command, was responding to a question from Sen. Angus King, I-Maine, about warnings that readiness was slipping in the fleet, as detailed last week in an investigation by ProPublica. The report dug into the years preceding the collisions of the destroyers Fitzgerald and John S. McCain in Asia that claimed the lives of 17 sailors.

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Aside from the possible retirement of the Truman mentioned in another thread...here's another development when it comes to force levels:

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Two LPD Amphibious Ships Cut From 2020 Budget Plan
Are big, expensive vessels like amphibious ships and carriers too vulnerable in a long-range missile war with Russia or China?
By Paul McLeary on March 01, 2019 at 7:00 AM
WASHINGTON: Wary of bringing big, expensive warships full of sailors and Marines in missile range of hostile coastlines, the Pentagon plans to cut two new amphibious warships out of the 2020-2024 budget plan to be released later this month, defense officials confirmed.
The decision to delay the planned purchase of two San Antonio-class Flight II landing dock ships, known as LPDs, out past 2024 is part of a much wider reevaluation of naval warfare. Under high-level pressure to build a fleet better able to face Chinese and Russian precision missiles, the Navy is reducing its investment in large but potentially warships like amphibs and carriers so it can free up money for more offensive weaponry on smaller surface ships, submarines, and aircraft.
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A belated update from a couple of weeks ago: unfortunately, navydavesof, no matter the benefits of resurrecting mothballed ships there will always be skeptics in your govt. who will only see their costs outweighing their benefits.

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The U.S. Navy Won’t Bring Back Mothballed Ships to Boost the Fleet
Zombie ships brought back from the dead will not join the United States Navy.

By Kyle Mizokami
Feb 21, 2019
The U.S. Navy won’t bring back decommissioned ships as a way to grow the fleet. The ships, decommissioned from the Navy after decades of service, are rusting away at a number of “mothball fleet” locations across the United States. Navy officials have concluded that it would be too expensive to bring them back, and they would offer too few capabilities to make them worthwhile.
According to Military.com, Vice Admiral Tom Moore said the service had taken a look at decommissioned vessels and concluded it just wasn’t worth it. Not only are the ships old, some have been cannibalized to keep existing ships still in the fleet running. The Navy says the current fleet of 288 ships is too small for the service’s global responsibilities and is looking to boost the fleet to 355 ships by the 2030s.
Moore told the press the Navy looked at every ship on the inactive list, particularly retired Oliver Hazard Perry–class guided missile frigates.
The Perry class was a small multipurpose warship capable of anti-submarine warfare and self-defense against anti-air threats. Each could carry up to two Seahawk helicopters. The Perrys could operate independently but could also travel as part of a carrier battle group, adding anti-submarine capability...(EDITED)

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There will be probably no increase in fleet size at all - apparently there is still no funding for it.

The last time the fleet size was increased, in the 1980s, it was done predominately by building new ships - old ships were mostly decommissioned.

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More DDGs on the way:

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Bath Iron Works Lands $11 Million Contract for More Destroyer Work
8 Mar 2019
Bangor Daily News, Maine | By Beth Brogan

The U.S. Navy on Wednesday awarded Bath Iron Works an $11 million contract modification to provide lead yard services for Arleigh Burke-class destroyers.

Work will include engineering and technical assistance for new Arleigh Burkes, also known as DDG 51s. Lead yard services include serving as liaison for ship construction, general class services, class design contractor services, class change design services for follow ships, and ship trials and post-shakedown availability support.

In June 2018, Bath Iron Works was awarded the lead yard contract for Arleigh Burkes potentially worth $305 million.

The shipyard currently has four Arleigh Burkes under construction, as well as the third Zumwalt-class destroyer, the DDG 1002. Construction of the DDG 127 (the future USS Patrick Gallagher) has not yet begun.

In September 2018, BIW was awarded $3.9 billion in contracts to build four more Arleigh Burke destroyers to be procured in the next five years. The contract includes options for five additional ships
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There will be probably no increase in fleet size at all - apparently there is still no funding for it.

The last time the fleet size was increased, in the 1980s, it was done predominately by building new ships - old ships were mostly decommissioned.


Apparently some people are more optimistic:

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The US Navy will hit a milestone ship count in 2020; pours money into sailors, subs and unmanned tech
By: David B. Larter   14 hours ago
WASHINGTON — The U.S. Navy will pass the 300 ships mark for the first time since 2002, according to its fiscal 2020 budget submission, a big step toward its current goal of 355 ships and a sign the service, after decades of contracting, is growing yet again.
The last time the Navy had more than 300 ships was in 2002, when it had 313, according to Naval History and Heritage Command. The Navy should be up to 314 ships by 2023, according to the Navy’s budget submission.
In total, the Navy is requesting $205.6 billion, which breaks out to $160.8 billion in base funding and a staggering $44.8 billion on overseas contingency operations funding. The OCO funding is up $36.6 billion over last year’s request and is a gimmick to avoid budget caps. The budget will need to be hashed out in Congress through a spending deal.
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Ok, some steps in that direction, but for sure more new ships - not more old ships.

Also some older programs now deliver a lot of new ships, e.g. the LCS.

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6 AEGIS cruisers headed to the chopping block?

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Once again, the US Navy looks to scrap its largest combatants to save money
By: David B. Larter   2 hours ago
The U.S. Navy is eyeing canceling six planned service-life extensions on its oldest cruisers, meaning the Navy will be short six of its current 22 largest surface combatants by 2022, according to defense officials who spoke to Defense News on background.
The plan as it will be proposed to Congress is to decommission the cruisers Bunker Hill, Mobile Bay, Antietam, Leyte Gulf, San Jacinto and Lake Champlain in 2021 and 2022, foregoing plans for service life extensions that have been supported in Congress in the past.
All the ships will be at or near the end of their 35-year service lives when they are decommissioned, but the Navy has yet to decide on a replacement for the cruisers, the largest combatants in the fleet with 122 vertical launch systems cells. This comes at a time when the Navy needs as many missiles downrange as it can field as it squares off with the threat from Chinese and Russian anti-ship missiles.
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More Virginia class subs on the way:

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The US Navy, facing a shortfall, aims to ink an enormous attack sub contract next month
By: David B. Larter   15 hours ago

The Virginia-class attack submarine Indiana departs Newport News Shipbuilding to conduct sea trials. The Indiana is one of the last of the Block III Virginia subs, and the Navy is preparing to award the Block V contract. (Matt Hildreth/U.S. Navy)

WASHINGTON — The U.S. Navy is preparing to sign a contract with General Dynamics Electric Boat and subcontractor Huntington Ingalls Industries for the next tranche of Virginia-class submarines, according to budget documents submitted to Congress this week.

The 10-ship contract, which will include nine of the 84-foot Virginia Payload Module upgrades, is planned for April, the documents say.


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The first Virginia Payload Module ship, SSN-803, will be awarded as part of the block buy and is slated for a 2025 delivery, the documents say.

The contract is sure to be the largest submarine contract since 2014, when the Navy signed a 10-sub, $17.6 billion contract with Electric Boat and HII for the Block IV Virginia subs. The first of the Block IV ships, the attack submarine Vermont, is slated to be delivered in October, according to budget materials, with the final Block IV slated to be delivered in 2023.

The contract could still face delays, however. Last year’s budget materials listed the contract date for the Block V boats as October 2018, which has come and gone.

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That makes sense, new Virgina class submarines instead of keeping old Los Angeles class.

It would also make sense to replace the old Ticonderoga class ships with new ships, e.g. Arleigh Burke Flight III. And develop a new design... Also the Arleigh Burkes are based on a 1980s design.

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That makes sense, new Virgina class submarines instead of keeping old Los Angeles class.[\quote]As long as they don’t allow numbers to dip more than they already are. We have Ben forced to keep the LA boats, because we cannot build the Virginia’s fast enough.

[quote=“maxim”]It would also make sense to replace the old Ticonderoga class ships with new ships, e.g. Arleigh Burke Flight III. And develop a new design... Also the Arleigh Burkes are based on a 1980s design.
indeed. We could go 2 directions. 1. Modernize and build the CGBL they designed in the mid 1990s, 2. Build a conventional structure atop the DDG-1000 hull and replace the Mk41. If the Navy wants to keep
Pushing the AGS, it should rebarrel it to fire the current 155mm conventional ammunition. Firing 155mm RAP rounds out of a 155mm/60cal gun with an associated charge would likely achieve a very desirable range. The best option is to resurrect the Mk71 8”/60caliber ModX and fit it with two.

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