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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2019 12:03 pm 
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Something based on the Zumwalt would work, something from the 1990s is already 30 years old, i.e. completely outdated (more than one generation of warship development!).

A gun of a calibre, which is already in use, would be better. Otherwise the ammunition again will be terrible expensive - as it was in case for the 155 mm. The US Navy has not even managed to develop long ammunition for the 5" guns, because of the costs - even though it has plenty 5" guns in use and there are plenty in use in allied navies. In the moment, the most developed long range ammunition is probably the 127 mm (5") Vulcano by Leonardo. BAe, who is building the 5" for the US Navy, has started to advertise the Vulcano ammunition made by Leonardo.

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More on the latest flight of Virginia class subs:

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The US Navy, seeking savings, shakes up its plans for more lethal attack submarines
By: David B. Larter   21 hours ago

The Virginia-class attack Indiana (SSN 789) departs Newport News Shipbuilding to conduct alpha sea trials in the in 2018. (U.S. Navy)
WASHINGTON — The U.S. Navy is shaking up its plan for acquiring a new, much larger and more deadly version of its Virginia-class attack submarine it aims to start buying this year.
The plan heading into this year was to start a contract on the 5th block of Virginias in October, beginning with an upgraded version of the block-four Virginia (a “straight-stick” Virginia), then the second boat in 2019 would be the first boat with the added with 84-foot section known as the Virginia Payload Module, designed to expand the Virginia’s Tomahawk strike missile load-out from 12 to 40.
The rest of the 10-ship buy was suppose to have the VPM, a move designed to offset the retirement of the four 154-Tomahawk-packing guided missile submarines in the mid-2020s.
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The Columbia class/Ohio replacement in focus:
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With the US Navy’s top shipbuilding priority on deck, red flags fly
By: David B. Larter   8 hours ago
WASHINGTON — On Capitol Hill for a breakfast talk in 2015, the chief of naval operations’ director of undersea warfare could not have been clearer.
The Navy had waited until the last possible moment to start working on a new class of ballistic missile submarine to replace the early 1980s Ohio-class boats, and there just won’t be time for lengthy delays.
“We have effectively skipped an entire SSBN generation,”
then-Rear Adm. Joseph Tofalo told the crowd, “but in doing so we have consumed the entire margin for error.”
It was a familiar talking point. The Navy has been pounding the table for years now about the need to move out on Columbia, a crucial part of the country’s nuclear deterrent triad of missiles, bombers and ballistic missile submarines. But the Navy has always acknowledged the tremendous challenge it faces in getting its first Columbia-class boomer procured, constructed, tested and fielded in time for its first patrol slated for 2031. The service is planning to buy the first ship in 2021.
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A belated post: This brings the number of Arleigh Burke class DDGs ever built to 67.

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U.S. Navy Commissioned 67th Burke-class destroyer USS Paul Ignatius – DDG 117

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The U.S. Navy’s newest Arleigh Burke-class destroyer, USS Paul Ignatus (DDG 117), was commissioned on July 27, at Port Everglades in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
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Built by Huntington Ingalls Industries’ (HII) Ingalls Shipbuilding division, DDG 117 is the second (of nine) Arleigh Burke-class, “Flight IIA: Technology Insertion” variant. “Technology Insertion” ships are fitted with elements from the future DDG 51 Flight III.
The ship is named in honor of Paul Robert Ignatius, who served in the U.S. Navy during World War II, and later during the Lyndon B. Johnson administration as Assistant Secretary of Defense (Installations and Logistics) 1964-1967, and Secretary of the Navy 1967-1969. (...SNIPPED)

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Navy Considering More Advanced Burke Destroyers as Large Surface Combatant Timeline Slips
By: Megan Eckstein
August 8, 2019 5:34 PM
SAN DIEGO – The Navy is looking at “something beyond even a Flight III” combat capability for its new-build destroyers, as its plans for transitioning from building the Arleigh Burke-class destroyer to the future Large Surface Combatant continue to evolve and the LSC procurement date continues to slide.
Program Executive Officer for Ships Rear Adm. Bill Galinis told USNI News that questions about what the Large Surface Combatant needs to be and significant pressure on the annual shipbuilding budget are forcing the service to think about what the Arleigh Burke program will look like beyond the current multiyear contract for the Flight III configuration.
The Large Surface Combatant program is meant to replace both the Ticonderoga-class cruiser and the DDG-51s, and previous documents from the Pentagon showed LSC acquisition beginning in Fiscal Year 2023, following heel-to-toe behind the end of the current contract for Flight III DDGs that ends in 2022.
However, USNI News first reported in March that LSC acquisition had fallen to a 2025 start date – though the Navy pushed back at the time and said it could accelerate the program to resume that planned 2023 start date if industry were able to support a faster design process.
Galinis told USNI News today that the Navy is now looking at 2026 or possibly later to begin the Large Surface Combatant.
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More Virginias on the way soon?

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Navy, Shipbuilders Working On Final Details Of Block V Virginia-Class Submarine Deal
By: Ben Werner
August 29, 2019 12:42 PM
GROTON, Conn. – The Navy is close to inking a multi-billion-dollar deal to build the Block V Virginia-class fast-attack submarines, but doing so requires the service, shipyards and suppliers to balance their sometimes-competing program priorities, the service’s top acquisition official said Tuesday
Secretary of Defense Mark Esper and James Geurts, assistant secretary of the Navy for research, development and acquisition, on Tuesday toured the General Dynamics Electric Boat manufacturing facility in Groton, Conn. At the same time, behind the scenes, Navy and shipyard officials continued negotiating the contract that will cover at least 10 boats from Fiscal Year 2019 through 2023.
Esper did not discuss the private meeting he had with Phebe Novakovic, chief executive of General Dynamics, and Jeff Geiger, president of the Electric Boat subsidiary. Geurts, speaking to reporters on the plane ride home from the Connecticut yard, described the overall negotiators as working out the final details of a Block V deal.
“Having the SECDEF down here today, I mean, it shows the importance and shows why for the nation we’ve got to be all in: working between the shipbuilders, between the Navy, between suppliers, and quite frankly a lot of workforce development programs to get this enterprise in the shape we need it to, to deliver for the nation,” Geurts said.(...SNIPPED)

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More wishful thinking by the acting SECNAV?

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Acting US Navy secretary: Deliver me a 355-ship fleet by 2030
By: David B. Larter   1 day ago
WASHINGTON — Acting U.S. Navy Secretary Thomas Modly in public comments and in a directive to the force has mandated that the service find a path to quickly get to 355 ships.
Despite some soft-pedaling from Navy leadership on the 355-ship goal, Modly has made it clear that such an inventory is national policy and that he wants leadership to get behind it.
“[Three hundred and fifty-five ships] is stated as national policy,” Modly told an audience at the USNI Defense Forum on Dec. 5. “It was also the president’s goal during the election. We have a goal of 355, we don’t have a plan for 355. We need to have a plan, and if it’s not 355, what’s it going to be and what’s it going to look like?”
In a memo released Thursday to the force, Modly said he wanted an actionable plan by the end of the 2020s.
In the memo, Modly called for the services to develop “an integrated plan to achieve … 355 ships (or more) unmanned underwater vehicles, and unmanned surface vehicles for greater naval power within 10 years.”
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^^355 ship fleet......The US navy has a lot of other problems that need to be addressed before churning out another 50-60 ships. And Congress - in the time of trillion dollar deficits - is likely to become stingy with appropriations.

There is a serious issue with navy leadership going all the way to the top. "Acting" officials have become a troubling circumstance in Washington. In addition, too many USN flag officers have been relieved due to lack of confidence in their ability to command, or to other dereliction.

The adequate replacement of aging nuclear submarines is in question, and there is a serious shortfall in mission-capable ships for escort and blue-water patrol functions. After the USN decommissioned ALL its Perry-class FFGs, too much money and effort has been put into questionable LCS type ships which are marginal at best for blue water duties. Now the navy is looking at someone else's frigate designs and those would be available at the earliest by the mid 2020s.


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Despite the highly divisive/partisan, political intrigue playing out in Washington DC right now, it would be best if the US Navy could finalize/streamline such a plan for a fleet expansion without leaving people in suspense.

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The new acting secretary of the Navy said recently that he is open to designing a fleet that is larger than the current 355-ship plan, one that relies significantly on unmanned systems rather than solely on traditional gray hulls.
Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said the pending Integrated Naval Force Structure Assessment will help guide the service toward achieving a redesigned fleet of "355 (or more) ships, unmanned underwater vehicles (UUVs) and unmanned surface vehicles (USVs) for greater global naval power within 10 years," according to a Dec. 6 memo from his office.
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The USN may have no choice but to actually scrap those 13 AEGIS cruisers and reduce AEGIS DDGs from projected ships to be built:

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Pentagon proposes big cuts to US Navy destroyer construction, retiring 13 cruisers
By: David B. Larter   1 day ago
WASHINGTON – The Department of Defense has sent a plan to the White House that would cut the construction of more than 40 percent of its planed Flight III Arleigh Burke destroyers in in fiscal years 2021 through 2025.
In total, the proposal would cut five of the 12 DDGs planned through the so-called future years defense program, or FYDP. In total, the plan would cut about $9.4 billion, or 8 percent, out of the total shipbuilding budget, according to a memo from the White House’s Office of Management and Budget to the Defense Department obtained by Defense News. The memo also outlined plans to accelerate the decommissioning cruisers, cutting the total number of Ticonderoga-class cruisers in the fleet down to nine by 2025, from a planned 13 in last year’s budget.
The Pentagon’s plan would actually shrink the size of the fleet from today’s fleet of 293 ships to 287 ships,
the memo said, which stands in contrast to the Navy’s goal of 355 ships. The 355 ship goal was also made national policy in the 2018 National Defense Authorization Act.
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Proposal for sweeping cuts to US Navy shipbuilding, force structure could herald a new strategy, experts say
By: David B. Larter   6 days ago
PHILADELPHIA — A sweeping series of proposed cuts to the U.S. Navy’s shipbuilding programs and force structure could herald a new strategy for a slimmed-down fleet, or could fizzle out in the budgetary process. But the fact that such a proposal is on the table in the first place shows the pressure under which the Defense Department is working as it anticipates a flat budget and a stack of modernization bills to pay, experts say.

A memo obtained by Defense News and sent by the White House’s Office of Management and Budget to the Department of Defense outlined dramatic cuts to the Navy’s Flight III Arleigh Burke destroyer program, cutting five out of the 12 proposed over the five-year Future Years Defense Program, of FYDP. It also pushed a Block V Virginia-class attack submarine out of the 2021 budget, dropping down to one from the planned two. And it slowed down the buy for the planned 20-ship FFG(X) program, ordering just one in 2021 and 2022, instead of the planned two each year.

The cuts to force structure were even more dramatic. The Navy accelerated the decommissioning of four cruisers and considered canceling service-life extensions on some of its oldest cruisers. The service is also planning to retire the first four littoral combat ships as many as 17 years early, and is planning to retire three dock landing ships early.

The memo reflects a complete reversal of strategy from the planned 355-ship Navy, which is written into national policy, and actually shrinks the force to 287 ships.

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Here’s where the Navy’s next ships are in construction | Defense News Weekly Extra
By: Jeff Martin   2 days ago The Navy currently has several ships either under construction or in trials. Here's an update on when they'll join the fleet.
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Acting SecNav Hints at Fewer Aircraft Carriers in Next Ship-Count Plan
29 Jan 2020
Military.com | By Gina Harkins

The Navy could start lobbying Congress to rethink a law requiring it to have 12 massive aircraft carriers in its arsenal, the service's acting secretary said.

Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said Wednesday that "everything is on the table" when it comes to the next force structure assessment, which will lay out a plan for the types and numbers of vessels the service needs. He said he plans to present the plan to the defense secretary this week.
The Navy's current plans call for a 355-ship fleet, including a dozen aircraft carriers by 2065. But Modly said leaders must be more realistic about what's achievable in the next decade instead of planning for a future Navy when "we'll all be dead."
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" But Modly said leaders must be more realistic about what's achievable in the next decade instead of planning for a future Navy when "we'll all be dead.""

We might all be dead a lot sooner than that if he lets Russia and China think that the US is too poor to afford to properly defend itself.

Politicians need to realize that the next world war is coming; its only a matter of when, not if.

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Admiral John Byng wrote:
" But Modly said leaders must be more realistic about what's achievable in the next decade instead of planning for a future Navy when "we'll all be dead.""

We might all be dead a lot sooner than that if he lets Russia and China think that the US is too poor to afford to properly defend itself.

Politicians need to realize that the next world war is coming; its only a matter of when, not if.

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The US spends already now - even without such plans for doubling the fleet - much more than any other state for defense. Russia is much poorer and spends much less, also China does not even spend half as much - and the spending corresponds to the sizes of the fleets. The Russian fleet is relatively small and still features many outdated ships. Also the Chinese fleet is still significantly smaller than the US Navy.

If World War 3 would be coming anyway, we would be anyway dead and could also spend the money for nicer things to enjoy the time until then ;)

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maxim wrote:
The US spends already now - even without such plans for doubling the fleet - much more than any other state for defense. Russia is much poorer and spends much less, also China does not even spend half as much - and the spending corresponds to the sizes of the fleets. The Russian fleet is relatively small and still features many outdated ships. Also the Chinese fleet is still significantly smaller than the US Navy.

If World War 3 would be coming anyway, we would be anyway dead and could also spend the money for nicer things to enjoy the time until then ;)


That sounds lovely, except that if you spend all your money on nice things someone will quickly take them from you. :)

It is true that the US spends far more than anyone else on defence. It might be better if the others payed their way and the US could spend less. But in the UK that would mean adopting some sort of strategic plan and that doesn't seem to be likely.

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That does not sound lovely - we would be all dead, if you are right! The Third World War would be a nuclear holocaust, which hardly anyone would survive.

The combined spending of all NATO countries in 2018 was 1036 billion Dollar - Russia spend 61.4 billion. NATO spend more than 10 times as much! If the US significantly reduces it spending, it would be still much more than Russia - and also much more than Russian and China (250 billion) combined. And these two countries are not allies! In contrast, there are several additional countries, which are de-facto NATO allies, e.g. Japan, South Korea, Sweden etc. Japan and South Korea spend combined (89.7 billion) more for defence than Russia and have also combined better, much more modern fleets.

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You also have to take into account Purchasing Power Parity: simply comparing currency spending across countries doesn't give you a full picture of what that spending actually gives you. $100 USD in Russia will get you a lot more than $100 USD in the US! Then there's the matter of %GDP. Sure, Russia spends a lot "less" than the US, they're spending more as a percentage of their GDP as well - and that's for a country that doesn't have global commitments.

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True, there are price differences. But it is not automatically cheaper for Russia (e.g. the prices in the large Russian cities are on the upper end of European prices) - as you written they spend a much higher proportion of their GDP, but the resulting fleet is still not very large and consists of many outdated ships from Soviet times.

E.g. Russia had to import engines (turbines, diesel) and now cannot get them anymore (because of the attack on Ukraine) - and it is likely even more costly to start a new production line for them in Russia.

The overall spending is a good indicator - at least it appears to correlate well with the fleet size.

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