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PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:15 pm 
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A belated post from a couple of days ago:

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Chinese hackers steal sensitive Navy program data
By: Andrew C. Jarocki   1 hour ago

WASHINGTON — Cyberattacks sponsored by the Chinese government infiltrated a U.S. Navy contractor’s computers, allowing digital thieves to access sensitive data related to secret Navy projects on a submarine anti-ship missile.

The information stolen was stored on the contractor’s unclassified network despite being “highly sensitive nature,” according to information obtained by the Washington Post.

According to the report, 614 gigabytes of material on a closely held project known as Sea Dragon were taken. Contracted for the military organization Naval Undersea Warfare Center, Sea Dragon aims to develop a supersonic anti-ship missile for use on U.S. submarines.

Cmdr. Bill Speaks, Navy spokesman, confirmed that measures exist which “require companies to notify the government when a ‘cyber incident’ has occurred,” as had occurred in this instance.

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Done on Mr Trump's watch! What kind of president allows potential enemies access to military secrets?
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You're a couple decades late on the finger pointing for Chinese cyber espionage, dp. Been going on for years.

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A supersonic anti-shipmissile for use on US submarines? It seems unlikely that they are designing such a weapon only for subs. I wonder how far this project has got? Although the contractor is clearly to blame, surely the US government has some kind of protocol when it hands over confidential information?

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The missile in question is supposedly based on an existing weapon. Not too many anti-ship supersonic weapons currently in the US inventory, so I can only assume an SM-6 or -2 modified for sub launch and targeting provided by offboard sensors (which SM-6 is designed to leverage).

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Quote; "Done on Mr Trump's watch! What kind of president allows potential enemies access to military secrets?"

The story doesn't say WHEN the hack occurred. Past practice is not to announce that we know about a hack, not until well after the event if ever. Mostly to give certain Generals and Colonels time to retire first. As InchHigh says Chinese hacking of DoD and contractor digital files has been going on for at least 20 years. The US Taxpayers are paying for Chinese Military R&D. For years the DoD IT world swear that their systems COULD NOT be hacked and turned a blind eye. We should have BANNED having ANY sensitive data on digital platforms. DoD some 6-8 years ago decided to put EVERYONE's (past and present) Security Clearance info, including background investigations, family and friends, and more surprising WHAT classified Special Access Programs they were accessed to ... on a totally UNCLASSIFIED, non-SIPIR network!!! The hackers got ALL of that info for little effort. Before that Security Clearance Investigations were done only on separate non-internet connected computers and SAP access rolls were only on paper. So much for progress.


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Timmy C wrote:
The missile in question is supposedly based on an existing weapon. Not too many anti-ship supersonic weapons currently in the US inventory, so I can only assume an SM-6 or -2 modified for sub launch and targeting provided by offboard sensors (which SM-6 is designed to leverage).


I think the Standard missile already has a nominal anti-ship capability? I am not sure the relatively small warhead would do a lot of damage to a frigate or larger vessel?

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Today, a "sinking" hit is needed to knock a ship out of combat. Just ruin her electronics/sensors is adequate damage.


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Admiral John Byng wrote:
I think the Standard missile already has a nominal anti-ship capability?


Yes, which is why I think it's a sensible bet for adapting to a sub-launched variant.

As for how much damage it'll do, three things: 1) how much damage do you need to do, 2) is it the only weapon expected to be causing damage to the target and 3) a SM flies twice or thrice as fast as the usual batch of Western ship-launched ASMs, potentially compensating for the smaller warhead. At the very least, it's one more target that needs to be addressed by the enemy.

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Good points.

However, I do wonder if the US takes hitting the enemy seriously enough? I know that a new ASM is being developed but when will it enter service? Harpoon is well past its sell by date.

If a US sub can launch several SMs in rapid succession, then they might be able to overwhelm the defences and do enough damage. Is there still an anti-radar version of the Standard Missile in service? It was previously only used from the air but a ship/sub launched version could be a very useful weapon to deal with the sensors of an enemy warship.

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Done on Mr Trump's watch! What kind of president allows potential enemies access to military secrets?
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I was just trolling - don't like the guy very much!
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(Although he seems ready to tell Putin anything!) :scratch:


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