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Taking a look at two of the newest types of air defence destroyer around, they seem pretty capable ships. Im no expert and im sure most of the information about them is classified, so Im just going to try to gather a range of oppinions on how they might compare in terms of capabilities.

note: to make it fairer, for the Burke, consider the most recent ship in the class as opposed to the name ship.

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Vlad

AEgis is the most effective SAM weapon system on the planet. The SM-2 and SM-3 are able to deal with targets from the surface to over 100 miles in orbit. The SPY-1 RADAR has abilities so in excess of any one ship's missile system that these ships are equipped with the Cooperative Engagement System. In theory, a downrange ship's weapons can be tasked by the Burke, launched and guided to the target.

This ship will only get better with the arrival of SM-6 Standard-ERAM in 2010.

W

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I agree with Werner, though in orer to be as fair as possible, the Daring still has to show her capabilities, while the Burke owns an already well proven and reliable system.

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I will miss you Werner. Fair winds and following seas.

The Daring's missile, PAAMS/Aster 30 appears to have a range of about 80Km. The SM-2ER is in excess of 200Km.

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-- "A Nation at Risk" (1983)

Hi guys
Darings radar system is ment to be far better than aegis but as its british and built by BAE it will be :censored_2: loads over budget very late and work as well as Bismarks
cheers
garyr uk

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Yes, Werner. I was referring to the capabilities of the combat system as a whole, more than just weapons range.

Cheers.

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I will miss you Werner. Fair winds and following seas.

Werner my friend never ever take what our stated weapon system will do on paper.

An old British ploy!

Unlike the USN we always keep our weapon systems full capabilities secret!

If you check here also you see we word things very cleverly

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/horizon/

"The speed of Aster 30 is Mach 4, and the range over 80km."

Note over 80km i.e. we never actually give away to the media and thus the rest of the world and our rivals what our systems, especially cutting edge technology, will do.

Only the designers and the MOD will know our weapons full capabilities, not even the operators in the Navy that push the buttons will be told!

All the equipment onboard the Daring's has taken up vast amounts of defence expenditure between the EU countries which help facilitate the project.

I guess we will only ever know which is the best when both classes of ship go on exercises together and are put through the same sorts of scenarios

I certainly agree that deception is an element on both sides. How else can a 200Km missile destroy an ICBM unless it flies directly overhead?

Not all the performance of an interceptor is in the power of the motor. The RADAR, signal processor, number of guidance channels and a number of other factors certainly apply as well.

You are absolutely right in that we won't know how the systems stack up for several years, and we should give the newer system a while to "shake out" the bugs.

W

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If an unfriendly power had attempted to impose on America the mediocre educational performance that exists today, we might well have viewed it as an act of war.

-- "A Nation at Risk" (1983)

which is why i started this as a pool of ideas and oppinions.

Aster however has side thrusters which, as far as I know, the SM series do not. This added manouverability would surely count in it's favor aggainst small fast targets such as sea-skimming missiles.

On the other hand, and broadening the scope slightly. Burkes seem to have greater VLS capacity as well as LAM capability.

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Vlad

Broadening the scope even a little more - both won't win any beauty contests, but the Darings look particularly ugly to me.

Jorit

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Burkes look quite nice in my opinion, better than the mountainous outline of the Daring.

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De quoi s'agit-il?

Hang on! I do beleive that Aegis was a Brittish idea, we couldn't afford it at the time, the US stuck it in their Ticos first and the previous system was "Bill board" ish, thingy!
Then there is the fact that most of the VLS systems on US ships were designed in the UK, not to mention the deck gear on Ticos and Burkes.

CHECK BAE and RR weapons engineering, also propulsion plants.

Daring will whup a Burke's ass when the bugs get ironed out, just can't afford too many yet, the RN needs some new ships rapid, Werner, sorry mate, but, do some more research.

Paul...
RN BIASED.

AEgis comes from the Typhon system, which was a mid-1960s USN program. It owes nothing to foreign designs. The VLS came along much later. Like all these developments, the system was overly long in coming to production.

W

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If an unfriendly power had attempted to impose on America the mediocre educational performance that exists today, we might well have viewed it as an act of war.

-- "A Nation at Risk" (1983)

well, i dunno about that I have to say Burkes look quite sleek. Daring looks good from certain angles, just don't look at it in profile. From a purely aesthetic perspective...they could move the tower with the Sampson on aft about 30 feet that would sort the looks out.

On all the other issues, im just gonna sit back and read everyones worthwhile contributions.

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Vlad

For myself I hardly choose any USN ship for a beautty contest!!!

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I assume you mean modern USN? Then I agree.

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No Filipe, like me, both detest the look of historic or contemporary USN warships.

BLASPHEMY!

I think the Great White Fleet was comprised of some of the most beautiful ships the world has ever seen! (at least in the 20th century!)

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No ship without sails can possibly be called anything but ugly!

No ship hampered by devilishly machinery can possibly be called beautiful!



Jorit

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That got a quick response!