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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:37 pm 
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That makes sense; I was just throwing it out there as a way to reduce the amount of material required (and thus the cost) for the larger-scale component

And sure, I'd love to see the uppermost platform included! (It wasn't shown in the 1:700 scale 50% rendering, and I didn't want to presume.)

By the way, shouldn't the admiral's bridge wings extending out further to the sides? Stein Gildberg's build thread of Gneisenau in a Norwegian-campaign fit has them longer, and it looks to me like they stayed that way until the ship's demise.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:10 pm 
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Hi Sean,

Modifications to both ships of the class appear to be non-stop during their service lives. My design is based on the early 1941 appearance of the ship, as she appeared during Operation Berlin. Photos in the following books confirm the presence of short bridge wings when Gneisenau put into Brest at the conclusion of the sortie.

- "The German Battleship Gneisenau" by Siegfried Beyer, pgs. 29-31
- "Warship Pictorial #39, German Battleships 1939-1945" by Steve Wiper, pg. 33

Although difficult to make out, photos in same books appear to indicate Gneisenau had short bridge wings during Operation Cerberus in 1942. Other features do look different by that time. Another 3D design is nearly done that represents the upper fire control platform shape for 1942 (Operation Cerberus).

Stein's model is absolutely superb.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:49 pm 
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Hi Sean,

Looking through some references, there are 3 photos showing Gneisenau with the wide bridge wings dated 1939-1940 in Steve Wiper's book, pages 6 and 9. It appears then, that the wide wings were early features. Gneisenau does have the enclosed admiral's bridge in those photos.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:00 pm 
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Home now, and looking at my reference books... Oh, and thanks for the reminder about the Classic Warships "German Battleships 1939-1945" book; it had slipped my mind...

I see it now. Yes, the wings were cut back further some time after the Norway campaign. Sorry about the trouble!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:09 pm 
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No, thank you! Glad you pointed it out! It always helps to have another set of keen eyes look a design over. Think of it as a "peer review", which can be a very good thing.

If you don't mind, please check your references for me and see if the uppermost fire control platform on Scharnhorst was planked. I think it was but my references for that feature are weak.

Here's why I'd like to know: for those interested in a 1/700 or 1/570 Scharnhorst 1942-1943 upper, forward superstructure, here's what's coming (90% complete)-


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From what I have on-hand at the moment (Shipcraft 20, Classic Warships 36 & 39, and German Naval Camouflage Vol. 1 & 2) I do not see any photos that show the deck of that top platform. (There are several true overhead shots, but they all seem to be grainy RAF reconnaissance pictures and I can't make out anything of use in answering the question)
From the drawings presented in these volumes: Shipcraft's line drawings by George Richardson don't illustrate planking at all, even on the main deck (no sleight against them - clearly the choice was made not to clutter the drawings with deck textures) The other sources are in agreement, at least for the 1942-43 timeframe. Classic Warships 36 has CG renderings by Robert McCune, which show it as planked in December 1943 fit. (Note that it is planked on the Dragon kit, and Rob is credited on the kit's instruction sheet as a project supervisor) Eric Leon's drawings in GNC vol. 1 (1939-41) shows it as unplanked and painted dark gray, but vol. 2 has it planked (A new discovery in research materials between publication of the two volumes? Or was the planking added while at Brest in fall-winter of 1941?)
I have some additional references in storage. I can pull them out and sift through them tomorrow evening if you'd like.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 6:21 am 
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Thanks so much, Sean!

Any help is hugely appreciated.

The Dragon kit is clearly superbly researched. I'll offer the product planked. If other definitive evidence comes forward indicating the platform was not planked, I'll change the design.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:35 pm 
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I've pulled out my other books and looked through them... no photos showing the deck of the Scharnhorst's top platform in any definitive manner. The only thing that comes close is from page 245 of German Capital Ships of the Second World War by Siegfried Breyer and Miroslaw Skwiot. That page has another of those British recon photos, but sharp and large enough to see better detail. The upper platform definitely has a light-colored deck compared to the surrounding splinter shielding... but it's March 1942at Kiel and the whole shipyard is iced in, so it's just as, if not more likely that it's a layer of snow and not wood planking I see.

I suggest doing it as wood planked, like Dragon, Rob McCune, and Eric Leon have it in 1942-43 fit. If anyone takes issue, they can drench it with a thick coat of primer and fill in the grooves. Easier to do that than to create grooves where none already exist inside such an oddly-shaped splinter shield.

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Sounds logical. Planked it is! Thanks, Sean!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 2:08 pm 
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Here's another one of several designs nearing completion. This is a twin 14" turret for USS Nevada BB-36 and USS Oklahoma BB-37 at about 75% complete. Although very similar to New York class twin turrets, the geometry is actually different. The most noticeable differences in this design, compared to the earlier New York class turret, are the presence of a large rangefinder and booth above and behind the turret, and the flat glacis (turret face). The New York class turrets have a curved glacis that most kit manufacturers miss.

[Edit: done!
1/350: http://shpws.me/ONYx
1/426: http://shpws.me/ONY1
1/700: http://shpws.me/ONZk]


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:57 pm 
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Among several designs nearing completion, here's a design for very large scale models that has been slowing taking shape. This is the Mk.12 antenna of the two-antenna Mk.12/Mk.22 combination radar at about 60% complete. When finished, it should be printable in 1/72 and if Heaven smiles upon us, possibly 1/96.

It is unlikely to be printable in any scale smaller than that with present technology, its features are too fine to survive cleaning and handling. As the technology continues to mature, it is likely to be made available in smaller scales, maybe 1/125 and 1/144 in the foreseeable future.


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I wonder if carl can do smaller scales on his machine(s)?


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Regarding differences between the designs for New York class turrets and Nevada class twin turrets, here are two renderings for comparison*. The turrets are not the same size (but very close). The most noticeable differences are the rangefinders and the shape of the glacis (turret face). New York/Texas glacis is curved (a feature most kit manufacturer's get wrong), and the Nevada/Oklahoma glacis is flat. Details such as the turret aprons and access panels are also different. The guns are the same.

In these drawings, ignore the black lines on the turret sides and the longitudinal black line running the length of the New York/Texas turret. Those lines in the renderings are merely graphical aids to show where the degree of curvature changes but should not be visible on the models.

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*In the renderings, the New York/Texas turret design is specifically that of superfiring turrets 2 and 4. Main deck turrets 1, 3 and 5 do not have rangefinders and the gusset pattern on the apron is different (1,3 and 5 have many more gussets - another feature most plastic kit manufacturers get wrong).

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Here's a design that will be released in the next day or so that will please fans of Deutsche Kriegsmarine warships, a 160cm searchlight. It is fully detailed with bolt-heads, washers, instruments, dials, gauges and even has raised areas replicating data plates. The detail will be most visible in larger scales.

The design is intended to be released in sets in 1/700, 1/600, 1/570, 1/400, and 1/350 scales.

It's at about 90% complete. There will be some tweaks and the base will be improved and detailed.

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1/350 scale: http://shpws.me/OTVI
1/400 scale: http://shpws.me/OTZj
1/570 scale: http://shpws.me/OTCL
1/600 scale: http://shpws.me/OTBJ
1/700 scale: http://shpws.me/OTv3


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Presently working on some Cold War-era US Navy aircraft carrier islands including 1/700 Vietnam War-era Essexes, multiple scale Midway and multiple scale Forrestals. Here is the base design for USS Saratoga CV-60 at about 50% complete.

I hope to be able to offer the island in two distinct configurations, one for her Vietnam War appearance, and one for her Desert Storm appearance. There were many differences. In 1/720 scale, the bridge windows will likely have to be designed solid with raised framing to meet 3D printing requirements. In larger scales, the windows can probably be made open as you see in the rendering. For Desert Storm, the overhead bridge windows will be solid.

Much of this design will be adjusted and many new features will be added, but you can get a general impression of the shape and features from this rendering.

Edit: changed 1/700 to be 1/720.


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Hello Steve

Great news...
The Forrestal island in 1/720 will be most welcome...in a late config for Italerie's hull! Also a late Midway island in 1/800 please. Doing both in 1/700 is a nice touch but with the lack of hulls...well! ;-)
I have checked out the Italerie Forrestal class kits...all the same and only Forrestal itself can be build without too much modification.

A suggestion for the near future would be to offer a kit with all the extra parts for the new 1/700 Enterprise from Academy. I am sure a Santa Cruz conversion kit would sell like hot cake!

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ModelMonkey wrote:
Presently working on some Cold War-era US Navy aircraft carrier islands including 1/700 Vietnam War-era Essexes, multiple scale Midway and multiple scale Forrestals.


That's great news indeed. I love the preview - these Cold War USN projects are right up my alley. Looking forward to what's ahead, Steve - and expect some business from me!

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Thank you Uwe and Jodie!

Yes, I meant to say 1/720, not 1/700. Post edited. :doh_1:

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Hi Steve,


The Saratoga Island looks great! I think that version works for 1956 to 1966 when the Forrestals started getting SPS-43 attached to the starboard side of the island.

I will definitely want one in 1/700 scale, not 1/720 and eventually 1/350 scale. A set of plans and either the Fujimi or upcoming Trumpeter Kitty Hawk Kits will provide ample seed corn to create a 1/700 scale Forrestal Class. The Kitty Hawk Class and Forrestal Class shared the same hulls. The good news is that if you can get it to print in 1/720 then scaling to 1/700 should be straight forward. It would be nice to have 3D Forrestal Class sponsons to go with it but as I recall there are some limitations to doing that.

Keep up the great work!!!!

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..."upcoming Trumpeter Kitty Hawk Kit"...

Has that been confirmed any where already? Any links...?

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