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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:28 am 
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Hi All,

We have started to design of Trumpeter's new kit HMS Hood from some months ago.
Now 70% of design has been finished.
We try to release by late August 2016.
Mr. Chung is this PM and all other staffs are helping him for finalizing.


Anyway this set will have contents as

1. Wooden deck.
We are drawing to realize over 99.9% plank lines of real 1941 Hood deck shape.

2. Turned brass parts:
All possible turned brass parts will be included...
Precise 15in and all barrels will be included.
15in main barrels have rifles as our other BB ships.
Bitts, some Capstans, Mast/Yard sets Flag staff and so on as Pontos standards.

3. Photo Etching parts
10 Full size frets and maybe more.
We don't mind the additional area..

4. Resin.
Some for odd hapes of kit parts, Etc.

5. Dry Transfer decal
Water draft marks

6. Etc.
With these sets, we try to do you need not buy other material as few as possible.
So some more materials may be added.

Keep your eyes on this Thread.

If you have any suggestion or advice, please post and leave message on this thread.

Thank you
Keumho Kim

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 4:06 am 
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Oh my god!!! Didn't expect this!! Pontos is back again!! And you pulled off a very good subject as well!
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Let battle commence!

NOW I will place my order!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:01 am 
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Great news :thumbs_up_1:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:33 am 
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Please note horizontal line of rivets for the funnel part

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Note the actual scale of the rivets.

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You also have the two horizontal bands with a recessed rivet while they were not for the real ship. Perhaps make that two separate parts to be added? A disadvantage is the risk for glue spots and it may be difficult to align for many modelers.

Good to see the internals of the funnel are correct :thumbs_up_1:


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 7:48 am 
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Well the big rivets shown in our sample are just for test shapes for fitting the length size of around the funnel.
Two horizontal lines you mentioned are also not fixed.
Seprating these two lines is also in considering.
We have lack in researching the inner side of funnel.
Especially even though there is no center walking jack stay from left to right but it seems there is thin center line bar from left to right.
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There are many stays in the inside of the funnel

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This is a bit of a guess, really, but matches photographs.


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Yep one of the hardest guess.
If there is no better idea until finalizing we may add yours in our funnel as option parts.
It seems that this project may be delayed a little with your advices. :heh:
Anyway waiting your more advices.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 8:41 am 
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Rather wait a-while and get as damn near to perfect as possible than read threads bemoaning a product as incorrect in some minor, or major detail.

Take your time - get it right.

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Not TOO long though Kim... I wanna start my Hood in the fall and really want to use your detail set! :wave_1:

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My cup runneth over!

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Will follow this with interest. I've used Pontos for my Missouri and Bismarck...good stuff!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 11:47 am 
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Pontosmodel wrote:
...We have started to design of Trumpeter's new kit HMS Hood from some months ago.
Now 70% of design has been finished.
We try to release by late August 2016.
Mr. Chung is this PM and all other staffs are helping him for finalizing...


This is most excellent news! I'm glad to hear that Pontos is also stepping-up to provide a detail set for Trumpeter's 1/200 Hood!

Kim, if there is any way we can help, please let us know. In the meantime, I highly recommend your researchers visit the following two websites if they haven't already:

1. "On the Slipway" at http://ontheslipway.com/ - EJ Foeth's EXCELLENT site devoted to his super-detailed and ultra-precise model of Hood. Many excellent details and photos (and we always work with each other to share details).

2. HMS Hood Association Review of 1/200 Trumpeter Hood at http://hmshood.com/hoodtoday/models/trumpeter/trumpeter200.htm - In that article we point out some of the issues with the Trumpeter 1/200 Hood. Of course, you have already addressed many of those errors!

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:33 pm 
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Hi Kim,

What you've shown us so far is excellent! It really is. There are a few very minor things you might want to consider though. I hope you don't mind, but I've annotated a few suggestions onto your original image of the 1/200 Trumpeter model bridge:
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Starting at the top and going clockwise:

1. Your detail set appears to be missing the smaller antennae that were attached to the sides of the Control/Spotting Top. You can see these in the inset photos.
2. There were swinging doors between the Forebridge Deck and Torpedo Control Platform deck (in the splinter shield) AND just aft of the lower/forward Air Defence Platform (identical port and starboard).
3. The small treadplate (that your ladder is connected to) is too small and the wrong shape. The actual platforms (both port and starboard) were longer front to back. The front section was angled back. The front and at least half the side of the treadplate had safety railing. The inset copy of the official plans shows the correct length, but interestingly, they show the wrong shape of the forward end! The other inset photos clearly show that the front of the platform (well, the safety rails anyway) were angled back.

As for the ladder, the official plans indicate the ladder was at the rear end of the treadplate. Yes, I know that there are one or two photos that seem to suggest that the ladder was attached to the side of the platform the way you have it...but there is the problem of potential interference with the small steps leading up from the Forebridge to the Torpedo Control Platform. It might have been further forward...but then we know that there are hard rails in the way. So, perhaps the photos do not actually show ladders, but show other bridge equipment. Its difficult to say until we get a much clearer photo.

4. Your photoetch Torpedo Control Platiform is far superior to the Trumpeter version. Thank you for adding the higher deck and splintershield. The rear "corners" also look much better. Be advised however, that we're not certain that the corners were angled in that exact manner. Its one of those structures on Hood that are difficult to precisely pin down...the plans show simple angles, but photos of the ship show something more undulating. Of course, perhaps its just an optical illusion...but I see it in many photos...it seems "wavy" back there on the actual ship.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 2:07 pm 
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Delighted to see this. I'll be buying a stack of these, as I am sure they will sell like hot cakes, if the HMS Nelson and Rodney sets are anything to go by :)

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This is how I have it on my model now. There's a bit of putty as as am in the process of doing some repair I started a year ago (choose not to really model past 1.5 years).

It is partly based on the same material Frank posted in his image. There are a few smaller splinter shields with stairs in front of them. The top platform is accessible by ladder as far as I can tell. I also noticed the aft angle of the splinter shield at the sides and solved it as on the image....

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This image shows there is indeed a small bulk head going towards the tripod legs. Perhaps I should do some redecorating :heh:

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Please correct the mistake in the shielding with decking that allows for the removal of the incorrect splinter shields. I noticed on KA's deck that they didn't remove the splinter shielding and therefore the deck goes around the shielding. Man a picture would of been better than this ramble.


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I can tell this one is going to be popular. I've had emails about pre-orders already!

Good news travels fast!

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:44 am 
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Thank you for your help in researching for more perfection.
Now it is time that we can modify anything.
In some cases, even with PE and Turned or milled brass parts, all things can't be realized as master plan or photos.
But we will try to do even some weeks maybe delayed as other our finished projects because we would sell our sets at least 30 years or more.
Please keep to give your advices to us.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 11:28 am 
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It's worth the time Kim. Partly just because the information is available, but also because HMS Hood is a sacred subject to many.

Pontos Model products will not beat the competition on price. People buy the products for the quality. :thumbs_up_1:

Nobody is going to build a 1/200 Hood twice, so they want it right first time :)

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David Gatt wrote:
Please correct the mistake in the shielding with decking that allows for the removal of the incorrect splinter shields. I noticed on KA's deck that they didn't remove the splinter shielding and therefore the deck goes around the shielding. Man a picture would of been better than this ramble.


Yes, he's exactly right. This particular splinter shield is very wrong...there was NO inboard section AND the outboard section is not the correct vertical shape.

There are also problems with some other 4" splinter shields forward as well as the one at the rear of the boat deck.

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If Pontos cannot create replacement parts, can you PLEASE engineer your wood deck veneer to be the correct shape (or provide an alternate) and include the correct information in the instructions? This alone would be very helpful for us who want to use wood veneer.

Note- I edited this post on 1 Dec to fix some broken image links

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