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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:48 pm 
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I know people in the club using 3 D printers either for small parts or other things.
So I was surprised to see this online this morning and thought I would share it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0GZLypq4Rg

What do you think when the whole model is printed?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:30 am 
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Nice, but imagine how expensive the iceberg would be!

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:06 am 
Admiral John Byng wrote:
Nice, but imagine how expensive the iceberg would be!
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Use a real one. Will be much cheaper :heh:


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:59 am 
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ozpirate wrote:

What do you think when the whole model is printed?


I think it will be about the most expensive model ever!
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Well, one question comes to mind - if you start printing the Iceberg, will the first part start melting before the end of the Iceberg finishes printing? :doh_1:

And what about the penguins????

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ozpirate wrote:
What do you think when the whole model is printed?


I think that people who like building and creating will be very bored. I think that people who don't like building will rejoice. I think there will be a lot in between.

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sjbatche wrote:
I have also been playing with 3D printing recently and exploring the opportunities it provides and the limits of my machine. While I haven’t made any large parts at the moment, I am enjoying the process of drawing and printing some simple parts to start with.

One thing that was going through my mind when watching the video of the Titanic model was the cost of the filament required. The model is over 200kg so at $25 to $30 per 1Kg roll, it would cost $5000 to $6000 in filament. After reading a bit more about the model it stated that 45 1Kg rolls are required for construction. I have found that not every print turns out the way that you want it to the first time so there will be some wastage. It is still going to cost a bit in filament.

I can only shake my head at the time that it would take to print something like this on the average home 3D printer. If I were to try to draw something this large and complex it would take months. For now I will stick with traditional methods for the hull construction and try to use some 3D printed parts throughout the rest of the model.


A friend of mine said above:

I found this interesting about how mush material would cost for such a model. I'm guessing this would turn most of us modellers back to our current types of constructing. But then again those with a bit of money may think it's a good buy. Sorry, but another thing is all the work to sharpen the model since its printed is not so fine yet.

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BB62vet wrote:
Well, one question comes to mind - if you start printing the Iceberg, will the first part start melting before the end of the Iceberg finishes printing? :doh_1:

And what about the penguins????

:rolf_3:


No penguins in the Arctic.

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goofyfoot009 wrote:
...No penguins in the Arctic.

Don't be a pedant. Besides, the penguins escaped from the Bronx zoo.


Tracy White wrote:
I think that people who like building and creating will be very bored.

Have to disagree... it's not like buying an assembled model (for which there IS a market)... printing your own model and assembling all the bits is MUCH more challenging than shaking pre-molded parts out of a kit box.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 7:58 am 
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Fantastic use of 3D printing. What a great challenge. 3D printing is here to stay and just another tool for the modeler.
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PATMAT wrote:
Have to disagree... it's not like buying an assembled model (for which there IS a market)... printing your own model and assembling all the bits is MUCH more challenging than shaking pre-molded parts out of a kit box.


Perhaps I was being too literal with the original question:

ozpirate wrote:
What do you think when the whole model is printed?


If the model is printed in one piece I think that the people who like building and creating will be bored. People who enjoy painting and weathering and not building are going to be extremely happy. People who just want to collect with no building won't be happy until we have systems where you can order full color and weathered "to taste" models.

Of course, we'll probably all be replaced by robots and software and out of jobs by then, so I don't know how we're even going to pay for any of it.

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I can't imagine cleaning up the printing artifact over such a large surface area. You would wear out several air erasers!


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Right now we can print 3D color in sandstone. At some point in the future we're going to have this ability in .00001 resolution with no artifacts and no cleanup required. There's going to be the CAD and there's going to be an "art" interface where you can chose colors and appearances. Maybe there will be separate business models for artists to create custom "skins" for the prints and people will just be able to buy their favorite appearance, be it pristine, weathered, or hoochie mama.

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3D printing is what you make of it at the moment. I'm working as a full-time model builder at an attraction in Manhattan, where we have one of the most advanced printers available, the Carbon M1. Still, there's clean up and assembly required. The photo below is of a "kit" I created for our 1/87th scale airport at Gulliver's Gate. It's drawn in Rhino 3D, the forward cab and rear wheels are 3D printed resin, the platforms and railings are all laser cut sheet acrylic, with rollers and other small details done in either brass or styrene stock. It took over a week to get it to the finished stages, with many U turns and dead ends along the way. And even though this is a very clean CLIP printing process, wet sanding was still required to get a smooth finish before priming.

So, we're not to the point of being able to take a photo of something, hit a button, and get a pristine copy in 3D. Someday, maybe. But that's not really different than buying a pre-built die-cast vehicle, which has been a huge business for decades. 3D printing of that sort will simply take the middle-man and craftsman out of the loop; but the automation of jobs is a totally different discussion.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:45 am 
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Well said Tracy and Devin Nice work.

I'm currently learning Sketch up and just loaded DELFTship and had a quick look at it, looks interesting.
Both these programs are giving me an incite to all what is possible, at least when I do go to print eventually I should
have a grasp on the systems used.
I have heard of Turbo Cad and Rhino 3D. What do the rest of you use and whats good and bad about what you use?

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BB62vet wrote:
Well, one question comes to mind - if you start printing the Iceberg, will the first part start melting before the end of the Iceberg finishes printing? :doh_1:

And what about the penguins????

:rolf_3:


No penguins in the Arctic.


Maybe the Norwegian Pinguin?

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ozpirate wrote:
I have heard of Turbo Cad and Rhino 3D. What do the rest of you use and whats good and bad about what you use?


I've played around with Solidworks a bit at my last job, but we use Rhino almost exclusively in the model shop where I now work. Rhino's what most dedicated modelers use, Solidworks is more for engineering. The thing I miss about Solidworks is the ability to make a working model, then change aspects of it and have the rest of the model update itself. That's why it's several thousand dollars for a copy, though, and Rhino is much more affordable.

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