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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:21 pm 
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The British battlecruisers of WW1 were magnificent ships - flawed, ill-designed, under-armoured and poorly utilised perhaps, but still beautiful. And yet, as far as I am aware, there are no plastic kits of any of these ships in 1:700 scale, or any other scale for that matter. (I don't count Renown and Repulse as they are kitted in WW2 form.)

Many ships from other navies have been produced despite them never having fired a shot in anger, and yet for the British battlecruisers, which bore the brunt of the fighting in most of the WW1 engagements - nothing!

Admittedly, many are available in resin, but these kits are expensive, and beyond my skill to do justice to. The battlecruisers of Jutland would make a fine collection, and yet there are still no representatives on the the British side. (Out of the 150 British ships which took part in the Battle of Jutland, only one, I believe, is available in 1:700 plastic!)

Please, please, kit manufacturers, could you consider producing HMS Invincible or HMS Queen Mary, tragically lost in the battle, or perhaps Admiral Beatty's famous flagship, HMS Lion, or how about HMS Tiger, possible the most beautiful warship ever built?


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:24 pm 
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Yes, it is a mystery to me too. Several years ago Masterbox announced they were going to do a who;e range of WWI ships but that came to naught. I thought the centenary of the Battle of Jutland/Skaggerak might have piqued some manufacturer's interest in the subject, but no.

Although I buy 1/700 and 1/350 scale ships, because of the size of the WWI fleets 1/700 really is the ideal scale for these fine ships.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:25 pm 
Invincible and Lion would be a good start to put in battle line against Derflinger and Lutzov.


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Because in my experience as a retailer, WW1 ships in plastic do not sell that well.

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mike mccabe wrote:
Because in my experience as a retailer, WW1 ships in plastic do not sell that well.

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People have no sense of taste. :(

I'd like to build the Tiger sometime.

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I'd like to build the Tiger sometime.


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Scratchbuild..... you can have whatever you want.


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Resin is the only way. Frankly, the costs of plastic in most of my builds feels like 20-30%. Most of it is PE, brass, 3D printed, etc etc. So if you already have paints, if resin comes with some PE, you are not that bad...

And I would add HMS Courageous to the list of pretty battlecruisers. BUt HMS Tiger is a fine looking warship.

You can build HMS Hood, thats a battlecruiser of almost WW1 vintage anyway... same as Repulse and Renown really.

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All British WW1 battlecruisers are available in resin in 1/700:

Invincible class: Invincible, Inflexible, Indomitable
1/700: Combrig, HP Models
1/350: Iron Shipwright

Indefatigable class: Indefatigable, New Zealand
1/700: Combrig
1/350: Combrig

Lion class: Lion, Princess Royal
1/700: Combrig
1/350: -

Queen Mary class: Queen Mary
1/700: NNT
1/350: Iron Shipwright

Tiger class: Tiger
1/700: Combrig
1/350: Combrig

Renown class: Renown, Repulse
1/700: NNT
1/350: -

Courageous class: Courageous, Glorious (not really battlecruisers, but often included in this kind of lists)
1/700: Admiralty Model Works
1/350: -

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pascalemod wrote:
Resin is the only way. Frankly, the costs of plastic in most of my builds feels like 20-30%. Most of it is PE, brass, 3D printed, etc etc. So if you already have paints, if resin comes with some PE, you are not that bad...

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Of course is not bad at all ,can't understand all that hatred against resin models, building process can be even faster than a plastic kit,IMO the only gripe can be the price and the nasty resin dust when sanding ,but everything else is enjoyable and you can have a model ,that will take ages to be produced in plastic and now with plastic models and photoetch sets for them hitting $200 bucks or more each, then , see no more big disadvantage to a quality resin model, like Atlantic, Starling,Combrig,Iron Shipwrights,Orange Hobby,Blue Ridge,Admiralty ,Corsair Armada,Loose Cannon,Regia Marina ,Delphis,NNT,Niko,Samek ,Dodo,L'Arsenal and ask an apology for the ones I missed.

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Thanks for your replies! Yes, I guess I'll just have to wait!

I have tried resin - HMS Tiger, see below, but at my skill level I found the result rather flat and lacking in detail compared to my plastic efforts. More practice needed... And yes, I've made several versions of HMS Hood - the one below shows what she perhaps might have looked like in 1942, given a typical camouflage scheme of the time.


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:thumbs_up_1: :thumbs_up_1: Excellent job Chris,nothing to be ashamed, both are really nice looking builds, now ,why not go with some photoetch?, for the Combrig ,there is a fantastic set made by Artist Hobby ,it will make your Tiger a show piece, BTW, IMO HMS Tiger(as built) is the most beautiful Dreadnought designed.

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maxim wrote:

Renown class: Renown, Repulse
1/700: NNT
1/350: -

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Maxim,

You forgot the B-resina and Poseidon 1/700 kits of Renown and Repulse.

I think the B-resina kits are in 1920s-30s fit, while I think the Poseidon kits are WW1 fit.

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Haijun watcher wrote:
I think the B-resina kits are in 1920s-30s fit, while I think the Poseidon kits are WW1 fit.

The B-Resina kit is not a World War One fit and the Poseidon kit is a pirate copy of the NNT kit.

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Note that Combrig also makes the HMS Queen Mary in 1:700 scale.

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I'm in two minds about resin (speaking as someone who has built most of the British battlecruisers in one way or another). I agree with the issue of price and some manufacturers are a pain to build, with no part placement guidance and horrendous clean-up. But I single Combrig out as they are cheaper and easier to build than the rest. Given that the new Kajika Kongo is over half the price of a Combrig Lion class, I find the ratio acceptable (at least compared to a more typical ratio of 4 or 5 to 1 for other resin vs plastic comparisons).

Having said that, Combrig's Tiger, although sharp and largely accurate, is an early effort and especially bland with respect to the kind of surface detail and clutter that plastic manufacturers love to mold in (even when it's overscale). My advice, try their Invincible, you will not be disappointed!

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The discussion of the armor, deployment, destruction, and aesthetics of the British Battlecruisers has been moved here: viewtopic.php?f=14&t=166325

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It is not a BC, but still waiting for Flyhawk HMS Agincourt, with Flyhawk's quality ,it should be a real winner.

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