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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:25 am 
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I am building a full scale version of the 8" Mk VIII gun house as used on HMS Exeter and HMS York. I am currently looking for reference material and wondered if anyone on this forum could offer any advice.

I have purchased the best drawings from the Maritime museum, Visited the Vickers archive and found a copy of Warship Profile 13:HMS Exeter. The museum drawings are beautiful but are of the exterior of the ship and I am building the interior of the gun house. Profile 13 has one nice top down drawing (without scale) and Vickers only had a few pics of the Exeter in dock.

Any help would be gratefully received.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 3:25 pm 
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ASSUMING you are in the UK, the best choice is to go to the TNA:PRO at Kew (South West London - open Tuesday to Saturday).

You would need to go and apply for a reader's ticket (say 45 mins - you will need photo i.d. - see website) and then order a file (approx 30 mins).

The file you would need would be ;

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.u ... r/C2096098

ADM 234/190

Handbook for 8 inch marks VIII, VIII*, VIII** guns on twin marks I, I* mountings

This will have a description of the arrangement and workings of the mounts and will have detailed coloured drawings of the trunks and turret/gunhouse.

This will give you the detail you require.

You may photograph the file, or pay for scans. What they won't let you do is trace them (or at least I have never seen anyone doing it). I do not know your draughting skills, but suggest that taking photos with rulers against them to give scale, or a set of photocopies is the best solution.

The TNA:PRO site gives details of charges, and travel arrangements/map.

Good Luck

EDIT :- Many of the drawings will be fold-outs, making them more difficult to photo - and photocopies WILL be expensive !

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:10 pm 
....A F U L L SCALE VERSION ?????....... :yeah:

I ám just imagining the builder has a dispute with the local postman
for not delivering the post ( i.e. modelkits parcels) on TIME. :Mad_6:

Then i imagine he is posting that gunmount in the garden end training
the 8 inch guns in the direction of the residence of the postman in question :Mad_5:

And at last hanging a guntabel with ranges and angles of shot with the distance
and angle marked with red to the postman's house .

I'm sure the postman gets the hint .......... :lol_3: :lol_3:

greetings Chris


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 4:55 pm 
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That’s outstanding - thank you very much.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:01 am 
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As a matter of interest, where is the completed replica mounting going to be kept? Is it a museum?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:37 am 
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It’s a set for a TV show. Unfortunately my NDA stops me from saying much more than that.

But the help is most appreciated.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2018 3:51 pm 
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If so, then when at the TNA:PRO you may wish to look at ;

ADM 186/347 - Turret Gun Drill for 8" breech-loading Guns Marks VIII and VIII* Twin Marks II and II* Mountings

( There is also ADM 186/346 which is similar. )

These will be small booklets which lay out the official ways of bringing the gun into action, firing and other odds and ends. It will identify "who did what" and what orders should have been given. It might give more authenticity (or be remarkable boring). IF you are doing scenes in the fire director, or fire control centre, there should be drill books for these and possibly handbooks - it will depend on the exact mark of fire control table and director.

By the way the sort of drawings you will get in the 8-inch handbook will be SIMILAR to these ;

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_6- ... ng_pic.jpg

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNBR_6- ... ch_pic.jpg


You can also find photos of the insides of various RN turrets (mostly 16-inch, 14-inch and 6-inch on the IWM photo collections site.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:10 am 
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Thanks again pgollin.
All the action is in the gun house but I’ve ordered everything at the TNA you have recommended.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2018 8:09 am 
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Does anyone have a pictures showing a gun house 'Churn lever standard'?

I'm struggling to find any reference for this element of the gun house.

Thanks in advance.


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There is mention of churn levers in this Navweaps page for the British 16" gun and mounting: http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-059.php

No pictures, but at least you might be able to get an idea of what/where to look for, and how it was used in practice?

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Many thanks - that info will help.


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