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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:36 am 
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Hello,

I got my Trumpeter 1/200 Scharnhorst shortly after it was released and already back then, when looking through the kit, I noticed at least one major error: The turret "Anton" should not have rangefinders on the sides but only flat covers. I did not search any further but I'm sure there are other flaws with this kit. I'm surprised anyway, that there seems nearly no reviews of this kit, except some out-of-the-box reviews on Youtube. Does anyone have a link to more "in-depth" reviews of the kit? Or is there a list with the errors?

Another thing that strikes me: There are surprisingly nearly no aftermarket upgrade parts available for this kit! There are so many things available for the 1/200 Trumpeter Bismarck and Hood, but only a basic set with wood deck and turned metal barrels from a chinese company I found on Ebay. Is there any information about upcoming upgrade sets for the Scharnhorst?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:01 am 
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Thegreenmachine wrote:
Hello,

I got my Trumpeter 1/200 Scharnhorst shortly after it was released and already back then, when looking through the kit, I noticed at least one major error: The turret "Anton" should not have rangefinders on the sides but only flat covers. I did not search any further but I'm sure there are other flaws with this kit. I'm surprised anyway, that there seems nearly no reviews of this kit, except some out-of-the-box reviews on Youtube. Does anyone have a link to more "in-depth" reviews of the kit? Or is there a list with the errors?

Another thing that strikes me: There are surprisingly nearly no aftermarket upgrade parts available for this kit! There are so many things available for the 1/200 Trumpeter Bismarck and Hood, but only a basic set with wood deck and turned metal barrels from a chinese company I found on Ebay. Is there any information about upcoming upgrade sets for the Scharnhorst?

Thanks!



HI... I'm no expert, but the Anatomy of the Ship book on the Scharnhorst does show side rangefinders on Anton.

Also, I heard that Pontos is working on a detail set for this model.

Take care, Jim


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:56 am 
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Even the box are shows Anton without the rangefinder. It was removed sometime before “edit”1943 as the ship was very wet even after the Atlantic bow was added. Pictures of him in Norway clearly show no rangefinder on Anton.

Hopefully Pontos comes out with sometime soon. Maybe MK1 will follow?


Just hope Pontos figures out how to answer email requests for spare parts. Sometime they used to do but have not for the last two years of my trying.


Paul


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:23 pm 
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A photo of Scharnhorst in the so-called "Baltic" scheme, captioned as being taken in November/December 1940, shows the rangefinder housing still fitted to "Anton" turret.
The previous posting clearly had a typo (1953), and referred to the ship in the masculine. Most references, in English or German, use the feminine to refer to ships; I have not seen an authoritative document showing that Scharnhorst (or any other Kriegsmarine warship - except possibly Bismarck) was referred to as "he" or "him".


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:58 pm 
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As I understand it all German capital WWII ships were addressed as him not her. Which always surprised me. I have one shot of the ship in 1943 which appears to show no rangefinder. Will try to post it in a bit. Will correct date.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:57 pm 
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Scharnhorst had the rangefinder removed from his turret Anton during the 5th refit to that battleship during his port stay at Brest, France, December 1941 through January 1942, just prior to Operation Cerberus (Channel Dash) in February 1942.

All of this will be covered in my upcoming Vol. 3 of German Battleships of WWII.

After a long delay at my printer, due to technical difficulties, and a complete re-print...............
Warship Pictorial 49 - German Battleships of WWII Vol. 2 should be delivered to me this coming week, and begin shipping out to venders shortly after.
This volume will cover all four battleships from 1939 through to the sinking of Bismarck in May 1941.

Warship Pictorial 39 - German Battleships 1939-1945 is to be considered as Volume 1.

Steve Wiper
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:32 pm 
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Not sure where this illustration came from, so I do not have any way to credit the artist.

Note the turret Anton rangefinder deletion.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 6:12 am 
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pontos? well
Many mistakes need to be corrected


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:17 pm 
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Are there any contemporary documents from the Second World War showing that German major warships were considered masculine? A quick Internet search produced, amongst others, the KTB for Operation Berlin (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... n7aj76U2Rg), in which the names of both of the "Twins", where they appear, are preceded by the feminine article (ie "die Gneisenau" and "die Scharnhorst"). Bismarck's captain, Lindemann, is said to have directed his adjutant to make sure that his command was referred to in the masculine, but I've not seen that in a reference from the period (this is mentioned in Frieherr von Mullenheim-Rechberg Battleship Bismarck: A Survivor's Story (1980)).


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 12:40 pm 
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Here are some images of Scharnhorst At Kiel under refit (6th) in mid 1942, departing for Norway and at Norway, all showing the deletion of the rangefinder on turret Anton.
The camouflage painting of him during this time of mid to late 1942, is in his next to last pattern.

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