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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 12:28 pm 
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Seems there's renewed interest in the Montana class BB's as Very Fine has produced 1/700 kits of a USS Montana and a USS Louisiana.

But will there ever be a brand new 1/350 scale kit in the future? (Preferably in plastic.)

There's already been almost half a dozen or so Montana kits in the past such as:
1/700 resin Montana by IHP.
Two to four different 1/700 resin Montana class kits by Blue Ridge Models.
1/350 scale resin Montana by Yankee Modelworks.

But still no new 1/350 Montana in plastic. :(
If one were to ever get made, what would people like to see for it? What types of details, wood decks, photoetch, and other accessories?
Would you want it in the early configuration where the Montana had less 20 and 40mm and still had the boat cranes and boats amidships? Or would you want a later WWII version made with more 20/40mm guns and removal of amidships boats and cranes?


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Very unlikely, since it was never built.

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I would want a repeat of history, where a model company looked at doing one and then decided it was smarter to build more aircraft carriers instead. :big_grin:

CV-7 Wasp, British Pacific Fleet, CVEs... gimme gimme gimme :thumbs_up_1:

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Tracy White wrote:
I would want a repeat of history, where a model company looked at doing one and then decided it was smarter to build more aircraft carriers instead. :big_grin:

CV-7 Wasp, British Pacific Fleet, CVEs... gimme gimme gimme :thumbs_up_1:


But the Clevelands, Tracy! The Clevelands!


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I'd find it hard to believe that a 1/350 Montana would be on top of anyone's 'to-do' list these days. Ship models are enough of a niche now in a niche hobby, let alone that even fewer people would be interested in 'paper', never were projects. Especially when there are so many actual, factual vessels/classes with fine service records that have never been kitted.


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Yankee Models and the Blue Ridge both released a run of them in resin - there is interest. I was interested but not enough for the price of the resin kit. That's one issue now, that my interests are often priced out or lower in priority than other interests. But I suppose people gotta make their huge markups .....

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I want a 1/350 Montana too


EJM wrote:
Seems there's renewed interest in the Montana class BB's as Very Fine has produced 1/700 kits of a USS Montana and a USS Louisiana.

But will there ever be a brand new 1/350 scale kit in the future? (Preferably in plastic.)

There's already been almost half a dozen or so Montana kits in the past such as:
1/700 resin Montana by IHP.
Two to four different 1/700 resin Montana class kits by Blue Ridge Models.
1/350 scale resin Montana by Yankee Modelworks.

But still no new 1/350 Montana in plastic. :(
If one were to ever get made, what would people like to see for it? What types of details, wood decks, photoetch, and other accessories?
Would you want it in the early configuration where the Montana had less 20 and 40mm and still had the boat cranes and boats amidships? Or would you want a later WWII version made with more 20/40mm guns and removal of amidships boats and cranes?


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I want a 1/350 Montana too


What keeps you from building one?

a) spent a good deal of money and build the YMW kit

b) get some good drawings and start lenghthening an Iowa class kit, add a fourth turret andsoforth.

c) go for gold and scratch the whole damn thing yourself.

But stop whining here for a kit that is extremely unlikely to come! (I am repeating myself) Others have already explained why.

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Tracy White wrote:
Yankee Models and the Blue Ridge both released a run of them in resin - there is interest. I was interested but not enough for the price of the resin kit. That's one issue now, that my interests are often priced out or lower in priority than other interests. But I suppose people gotta make their huge markups .....


Exactly - limited run resin, low exposure to the seller. That's far different from someone taking the expense to cut injection molds on a 1/350 'whiffer' warship. Given the state of the hobby, I would be surprised to see it happen. I'm not sure 1/200 injection can survive, for that matter. More appeal maybe, but it is a very small chunk of the market that has the space and $$$s for ships of that size.


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Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if we were to see one from Very Fire. From what I have heard, the Yankee kit did ok, which given a $450+ price tag on average I would say that shows significant interest. I would acquire one if I could find one, and certainly based on their 1/700 efforts and what I have seen of the 1/350 Missouri, would acquire a Very Fire effort. The Montana I think also has more credibility than some Paper Ships based on the fact that they were to be very real.
I think there are many on this board that dislike the thought, however given the current generation I think we need to accept that video games are making an impact. World Of Warships, despite it's short comings is introducing the current generation to WWII ships at an amazing rate. This has been the topic of many a club meeting in my IPMS chapter. Montana holds a special place in the game, and as such I think we will see a much larger interest in her vs. some other never were's. My only other counter to say there is hope is that we now have a 1/350 Graf Zeppelin from Trumpeter.

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Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if we were to see one from Very Fire. From what I have heard, the Yankee kit did ok, which given a $450+ price tag on average I would say that shows significant interest. I would acquire one if I could find one, and certainly based on their 1/700 efforts and what I have seen of the 1/350 Missouri, would acquire a Very Fire effort. The Montana I think also has more credibility than some Paper Ships based on the fact that they were to be very real.
I think there are many on this board that dislike the thought, however given the current generation I think we need to accept that video games are making an impact. World Of Warships, despite it's short comings is introducing the current generation to WWII ships at an amazing rate. This has been the topic of many a club meeting in my IPMS chapter. Montana holds a special place in the game, and as such I think we will see a much larger interest in her vs. some other never were's. My only other counter to say there is hope is that we now have a 1/350 Graf Zeppelin from Trumpeter.

Just my $.02 before taxes.....

Matt

To each his own. I think it shows the state of desperation in manufacturers that they would even consider such a project. In the armor modelling crowd, the mainstream vehicles have all been done to death at least, so it is a little more understandable that companies would turn to one offs and prototypes and 'whiffers' to keep things going. I don't think ship modelers have been catered to nearly as well, as far as subjects available that really should be, in plastic.

I don't think the comparison between Graf Zeppelin and Montana is totally fair, either. Graf Zeppelin was around 90% complete, and could have been finished with very little effort, had it not been superfluous anyway by the time Hitler clamped down on the surface navy in 1943. In contrast, the Montanas were (correctly) cancelled before any steel was ever laid down, or even plans 100% complete. People forget the Iowas would likely have been cancelled as well, if they were not as far along in actual building as they were, and capable of being carrier escorts because of their speed (which the Montanas would have been too slow for). The US Navy saw very quickly that it would be a carrier, sub, and amphibious war, and made the necessary plans to get those vessels.

I am also more dubious of the effects of videogames, ie World of Tanks/Warplanes/Warships, and wonder how much crossover there really is between modelers and video gamers. Your anecdotal evidence says one thing; mine, based on seeing Italeri World of Tanks branded products languish on the shelves, is different.


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A plastic 1/350 Montana ???

I hope not!!!

There are many good candidates for that instead a never built ship ,starting with US ,the Big 5's and New Mexico Class before or after modernisation ,UK , all the R's ,Renown and Vanguard,Italy , Cesare's and Doria's, France with the Provence Class.

all of those were real and definitely a better choice than the Montana

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Miguel wrote:
A plastic 1/350 Montana ???

I hope not!!!

There are many good candidates for that instead a never built ship ,starting with US ,the Big 5's and New Mexico Class before or after modernisation ,UK , all the R's ,Renown and Vanguard,Italy , Cesare's and Doria's, France with the Provence Class.

all of those were real and definitely a better choice than the Montana


I agree. There is a very very long list of better subjects.

From a stockists perspective, it's hard to sell models of ships that didn't exist. They are very low down the priority list for the extreme majority of modellers.

Very Fire's 1/700 is a slow seller in the UK where even real American ships are not particularly popular. I doubt I'd shift more than one or two 1/350 kits here.

It's a curiosity subject that belongs in resin. There are so many more deserving subjects for injection moulding investment that would sell much better.

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I noticed no one asked me how my kit did. That's very telling.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 4:18 pm 
I think the sales of the plastic Montana and her sister from Veryfire would give a hint on how well it would sell. A lot of people don't like resin or craftsmen kits so the sale of a complete plastic kit would be a better clue on sales of a 1/350 scale kit in plastic.


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Or perhaps how the mot recent 1/350 resin version from Blue Ridge, for that matter?

How did some of these do?

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Mike@IHP wrote:
I noticed no one asked me how my kit did. That's very telling.


I was gonna cite your kit being available for quite sometime. Only reason I didn't was it was 1/700 and wasn't sure how that would relate, Very Fire's was only cited as they have done the Injection Work already and would most likely be the one who popped a 1/350. Perhaps my initial omission of IHP's was in error and that should be looked at as well? The Never Were FB page is taking off and there seems to be lots of interest in the Montana.

As far as more worthy subjects, that's truly up to the modeler. I said I would get a Montana, however if it was a choice between her and say a Dragon quality Big 5 in any fit or any more of the American Treaty Cruisers......Montana would have to wait. I know some are screaming for more RN subjects, I know some want more Italian and the list goes on. I'm pretty sure until we see 3D printing double in quality and reduce to half the cost, no modeler will ever have every dream ship available.


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Well, if a plastic Montana kit doesn't seem like a viable subject to produce according to a lot of people in this thread, then how do you explain that Very Fire just produced not one, but two, Montana class battleship kits recently? That suggests to me that there is a renewed interest somewhere and somehow of the Montana going on. Maybe a lot of people here don't want a 1/350 Montana, but I do!
I don't know about anybody else, but I'm tired of looking at all the "same old, same old" model ships like the Arizona, Iowa, Bismarck, etc. being produced and built. To me, there's too much saturation of "classic" ships on the market, whether they are in resin or plastic. I see the same models time after time in magazines, websites, and at contests. I don't hate the "classic and same old, same old" model ships or aircraft, tanks, etc. There's a lot of good history behind them and I appreciate the people who served on them. But I just want to expand my horizons and build something that I've never seen or heard of before. I need something different. Know what I mean?
I think it's time more model manufacturers took more risks and produced more never were, cancelled, or what if stuff. The greatest risk is not taking one at all. Who knows, what if and never were stuff may only be a small niche now, but maybe sometime in the future, it will reach a far larger audience. ;)


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EJM wrote:
Well, if a plastic Montana kit doesn't seem like a viable subject to produce according to a lot of people in this thread, then how do you explain that Very Fire just produced not one, but two, Montana class battleship kits recently?


because narrow minded people are all over the world and China is no exemption
Veryfire started as a copy of Flyhawk, and the funny thing a chinese copying another chinese :rolf_3: ,they started with full sets which BTW are very good and competitive,but they did not stop there ,they went full speed ahead and produced this never built Montana kits,IMO those kits are for a very small group of modelists ,being sort of high priced items for 1/700 scale .For the inexperienced people is nothing more than a 4 turreted Iowa. I don't think this kit will have great success.
Then afterwards a new Missouri and in 1/350 , that was a good move ,they can wipe out the 40 year old Tamiya kit, but sh## happens and now a new China kid shows up ,Joy Yard pump another Big Mo in 1/350 scale, future is promising for the modelers of the world,now we have 5 different chinese companies
Trump/HB/Merit/Wave consortium , FlyHawk, Veryfire, Snowman and Joy Yard.

1/700 plastic Montana is a curiosity only
1/350 Plastic Montana is 8 times the volume of the 1/700 so not regular chinese cookie
But with those narrow minded people we'll never know (still believe is very improbable and hoping not to come)

Lets see what else is coming from them

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Tracy White wrote:
I would want a repeat of history, where a model company looked at doing one and then decided it was smarter to build more aircraft carriers instead. :big_grin:

CV-7 Wasp, British Pacific Fleet, CVEs... gimme gimme gimme :thumbs_up_1:


But the Clevelands, Tracy! The Clevelands!



What about the Brooklyn's? or a Leander?

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