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 Post subject: Re: Surprise
PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:09 pm 
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DrPR wrote:
I served on two ships with wooden decks (teak) and both were holystoned using a bleach like oxalic acid. The result was a very, very, very light wood color, almost white. Something like newspaper paper, but not as white as typing paper.

I suspect the contemporary writers knew what they were talking about.

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Ah but ah but! As my Physics teacher would reply. Teak was not used in warships of that era (subject open to argument) Teak was experimented on due to the shortage of oak, but proved horribly toxic, any serious splinter wounds from teak were almost totally fatal. Teak was however later used as an insulator on metal warships which is why some of us recall it on British warships.

Ah but ah but, again, Surprise was French built, maybe they used Teak??

I suppose I will bow to convention and pale down the planks, but having been married for 30 years it intrigues me to start an argument I at least have a hope of having my side heard ;)

As for contemporary writers, lol, there is probably a clever anagram in there.

Thanks for the input!


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 11:31 pm 
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I suspect it was more an effect of the bleach used (if any) and not the type of wood. We used bleach in the 20th century to make the admiral's decks nice and white. But did they use bleach in the 19th century?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:08 am 
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Dunno, seem to remember one theory about the Marie Celeste was that the crew and passengers were forced to abandon ship when containers of bleach broached.

Anyway, onto the Great Cabin, a simple mesh tack on then knocked out some of the interior stuff so the view through the windows worked, keeping decoration to a min for the time being.

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A tidy up of the main hull beneath the cabin, hard to figure out the exact shape there so guestimated most of it for now.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:17 am 
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A revisit to the planking, I have overlaid the deck with a thin mesh striped to represent planks, then used chamfer to create the pitch gap between them. Material I decided on was White Oak from the Mental Ray system, I removed the bump map to give a smoother finish.

The Trenails I was about to make metal as per the model and numerous references in forums, but a bit of research shows that Trenails were actually wood, caused less wear and tear on the planks apparently. I am not happy with the result but will do for now, will probably revisit later.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:30 am 
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And to date:

I could not live with the for-ad weather deck ports so have moved them, added a counter top to the weather deck bulkheads, a rudder, keel and one very phalic bow sprite base. Knocked out the main - well not sure what to call it, not a hatch as such but suppose it acted as one for storing ship, stowing and raising spare spars etc. Again guessing since every model pic I can find shows it left open, but suspect it would have been covered with canvas and chocked tight to prevent Goffers swamping the lower decks.

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Taking a break from the woodwork for a bit now to have a go at a cannon.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:58 am 
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"Boom... Boom... Boom" (poem by Private Baldrick)

My attempt at a 9 Pounder - un-rigged as yet, given the amont of ropes on a sail ship I am going to need some vector cheap method to construct them.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:14 am 
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Waist 9 Pdrs scaled and positioned inboard on the Gundeck. As per her original proposed RN fit the Gundeck was 24 x 9 Pdrs and the weatherdeck was a mix of 4 Pdr Cannon and 12 Pdr Carronades; I still have those to model.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:40 am 
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My 12 Pdr Carronade

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Scaled and positioned, I have taken a liberty, according to "The Frigate Surprise" there were two on the focsul and four on the Quarterdeck, but this configuration seems neater to me.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:05 am 
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No one spotted the mistake there: Carronades move inboard on their slides, not the whole slide, oops.

My 4 Pdr, based on those jetisoned by HMS Endeavour off Australia when she ran aground, plenty of photos available of them.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:07 am 
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Weapons in place, I have also been tinkering with the white washed areas.

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