Doing canvas covers

ARH · Post by **ARH** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 5:59 am

This was sent to me from Jimmy Conway , its in Portuguese but the amount of pictures one can understand it, Enjoy , ARH

http://www.webkits.com.br/news/template ... &zoneid=28

RickF · Post by **RickF** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:37 pm

Nice one, Ron. Anyone any idea what vegetal paper might be in Brazil? Some sort of tissue?

Post by **Timmy C** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 7:12 pm

Seems to be Wax Paper.

Karsten · Post by **Karsten** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:00 pm

I would think it would be Tissue Paper the way it folds and lays like heavy canvas after it is glued down.

Velum, Partchment and Rice paper would be to stiff.

Tracing paper is possible.

Wax Paper I down thing would work as te glue wouldn't adhere nor would paint stick to it. I use Wax Paper for a pallete cover to spread glues or paint thing on top on as the glue nor paint stick.

Great pictorial though and I have a bunch of 1/72 scale armour to work on some day.

Karsten

Sauragnmon · Post by **Sauragnmon** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:43 am

I agree with Karsten, I think it's tissue paper... it looks just that thin, and it appears to handle nicely.

Jimmy Conway · Post by **Jimmy Conway** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:18 am

ARH wrote:This was sent to me from Jimmy Conway , its in Portuguese but the amount of pictures one can understand it, Enjoy , ARH

http://www.webkits.com.br/news/template ... &zoneid=28

Nice ARH, to share with you all!

Jimmy Conway · Post by **Jimmy Conway** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:22 am

RickF wrote:Nice one, Ron. Anyone any idea what vegetal paper might be in Brazil? Some sort of tissue?

I can say this paper is very used by draftsmen .....some ordinary vegetal paper without specification.............
Nice regards: Jimmy

Post by **JIM BAUMANN** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:51 am

here is the same link--but auto-translated to -sort of -english

http://translate.google.com/translate?u ... n&ie=UTF-8

Jimmy Conway · Post by **Jimmy Conway** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:06 am

JIM BAUMANN wrote:here is the same link--but auto-translated to -sort of -english

http://translate.google.com/translate?u ... n&ie=UTF-8

Jim, nice your direction for a translated page

Some more about that page:

PAPER PLANT means vegetal paper
COLA WHITE means white glue.....
DONA ENCRENCA is CIC!!!!!
DILUA means dillute, dissolve.... ( Dilua the glue....)
GO PINCELANDO AND AMOLECENDO means go painting with a brush and softening.......
DOBRADURA NA LONA means bend in the canvas.........
HEADQUARTERS OF ABRANTES is some brazilian expression.......
DEMARCANDO means stablishing borders..........marking
And this is what differentiates a MODELISTA a simple colador of spare!!
..this phrase means that the use of sofisticated technics is what makes the difference between model builders and ordinary ones that just glues parts of kits..............

Anything more that I can do, just make me hear.........
Nice regards: Jimmy

Jimmy Conway · Post by **Jimmy Conway** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:37 am

Karsten wrote:I would think it would be Tissue Paper the way it folds and lays like heavy canvas after it is glued down.

Velum, Partchment and Rice paper would be to stiff.

Tracing paper is possible.

Wax Paper I down thing would work as te glue wouldn't adhere nor would paint stick to it. I use Wax Paper for a pallete cover to spread glues or paint thing on top on as the glue nor paint stick.

Great pictorial though and I have a bunch of 1/72 scale armour to work on some day.

Karsten

Karsten, this paper isn't like silk......... not tissue, not rice paper........ but a bit stronger......accepts bends very well......... rip like paper............ it is transparent........... will need to soften a bit with water to bend as in the pictures.........

William J · Post by **William J** » Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:00 pm

Hi Guys

I used tissue paper on the life boat of my Fishing Trawler that I'm going to be posting to the Gallery soon.

Just place layers of tissues on the boat and glue it down by diluting some white glue with water and paint it on rather generously. When the glue is completely dry, you can paint on white paint - preferrably white acrylic paint rather than enamel paint. The tissue will dry rather rough and this is fine. Don't try and smooth it out as you want the canvas to look roughish, with creases and everything. Also too the rough surface of the tissues can assit in any light weathering you may wish to add, eg: canvas that got dirty whilst at sea for a while, etc.

Pics below.

Comments wlecome as usual.

Bill

Dave Stone · Post by **Dave Stone** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 6:23 am

It looks to me like tracing paper and a heavy grade one at that. Why I think this is the way it stays rigid when placed on top of the blocks. Normal tissue would sag too much. What do you all think? In fact it looks much like the stuff I have used to detail my wire planes for sound system installs I do (I�m a sound engineer). Cant remember the name of the stuff off hand but it is a heavy tracing paper.

Post by **HMAS** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 8:43 am

I think I know wot itis

the "vegetal paper" is a very thin pastry wrap for spring rolls etc I'll hunt it out in the freezer section of the supermarket tomorrow & get a name for it that may help others.
It's as stiff as thin card dry & almost translucent, but wet it & it becomes floppy just like the website.
My time i the kitchen hasn't been totally "waisted"

Tony

Karsten · Post by **Karsten** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 12:46 pm

HMAS wrote:I think I know wot itis
the "vegetal paper" is a very thin pastry wrap for spring rolls etc I'll hunt it out in the freezer section of the supermarket tomorrow & get a name for it that may help others.
It's as stiff as thin card dry & almost translucent, but wet it & it becomes floppy just like the website.
My time i the kitchen hasn't been totally "waisted"
Tony

Humm, so you think it could be Phyllo Dough....Interesting thought and it could work I guess.

http://www.baking911.com/pastry/phyllo.htm

Karsten

Post by **HMAS** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:00 pm

Thanks Karsten
thats the stuff! I have used it in cooking a few things awhile ago, my wife brought it home to try.
try it! you will find the surface texture will be smoother than tissue paper.
Tony

Devin · Post by **Devin** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 4:57 pm

But isn't that stuff, you know, food? Seems to me that it would rot.

Post by **HMAS** » Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:42 pm

Devin wrote:But isn't that stuff, you know, food? Seems to me that it would rot.

Hi Devin it's not a food high in moisture content so there is almost nothing to rot.
air dried (sun dried tomato's, apricots etc) dont go off for ages.

The worse that will happen with the fillo pastry in single sheets will dry out, I suppose a good comparison could be a body buried in the desert it dries out & then does not decompose any further* ever hear of parchment paper type skin on old bodies? ( yes a simple excuse) *until moisture is added.
Anyway with the pastry were are going to use, we are 1 embalming/enclosing it in a plastic (PVA glue) to exclude air & moisture so there will be no odour, no attracting of flies etc & in the end its semi biodegradable.
With the pva glue process it may end up being to thick for some scales but as I work in around 1/30 scale it's good for me, even outdoors.
Tony

Karsten · Post by **Karsten** » Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:52 am

Oh, Phyllo Dough.....But one use, Baklava, sinfully tasting, make you want a Greek Women to love (as long as she can Make it)

http://www.figis.com/gifts/offer.asp?of ... ce=5902802

I may have to make a pan just for fun as I can taste it now.

Now what where we modeling, I forgot.

Karsten

Dave Stone · Post by **Dave Stone** » Sat Jan 19, 2008 12:09 am

lol who would have thought

nice idea

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