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PostPosted: Thu Oct 07, 2021 1:44 pm 
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I also posted this in the 3D Model Thread.

I asked Tommaso Balconi at ModelFunShipyard to do designs for the Essex Class SCB-125 ships. I sent him pics and plans for USS Bon Homme Richard CVA-31, USS Intrepid CVS-11, and USS Yorktown, CVS-10. I am happy to report that they came out quite nice and I am quite happy with the results. The texture is a little rough but pretty easy to sand out. The bow for the Yorktown is incorrect( he did the knuckle bow) but I am doing the Kearsarge CVS-33 so it is correct for Kearsarge and Hornet if you want to do one of those ships. If you communicate with him on doing the correct "rounded" bow for Yorktown and her other "Hydraulic Catapult" sisters then he would do that for you. The rounded Bow for Bonny Dick is very well done! Should be pretty easy for him to move that over to the Yorktown design. The masts are a bit thick so I will likely re-work them from scratch but they give you a good pattern to work from should you want to do that. I am also using PE for the Radars vice the 3D Printed Radars. If you want a 1/700 scale SCB-125 ship and can't find a Jim Shirley USS Oriskany (Good Luck with that!), this is it. They are not cheap though. I opted for the better, smoothest fine detail plastic option and that bumps up the cost a lot.

https://www.shapeways.com/shops/modelfun-shipyard


Browse through the 1/700 ships link and the parts to do all three are there. He has also done a 1/700 SCB-27C USS Hancock CVA-19 if you want one of those.

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I've just received the new Photo Etch sets 1 to 5 for 1:350 CV-11 USS Intrepid, from Eduard - the quality and comprehensive quantity of parts in all 5 sets looks very good. I assume a review will come out at some point soon, but anyone looking for a P.E. upgrade set, from first appearance I would highly recommend these sets (not fitted anything yet, this just from first viewing, but have used Eduard sets before and have every confidence in the fit).


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Hobby Search is advertising a 1/700 scale USS Intrepid from Trumpeter for pre-order. Supposed release date of “late” April 2022. Not one to hold my breath on advertised kit releases, this one would be a very welcome release.


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William Smallshaw wrote:
Hobby Search is advertising a 1/700 scale USS Intrepid from Trumpeter for pre-order. Supposed release date of “late” April 2022. Not one to hold my breath on advertised kit releases, this one would be a very welcome release.

It's actually already released. It's under Hobby Search's "New" tab rather than "Reserve" tab, which means they have already received the initial stocks. It's currently listed with a stock status of "Back-order" because those initial stocks are sold out.

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I am starting a kitbash of a Trumpeter Ticonderoga (CV-14) into a 1969 Hornet (CVS-12) and wanted to pass along something I discovered in my research.
Obviously Hornet is a flat-front hurricane bow ship, and the ones I have modeled before were rounded-bow. When I was comparing the booklets of general plans for Essex and Hornet, I discovered something. The forecastle of Essex - a rounded bow ship - extended almost to frame G. The same plan for Hornet the forecastle ends at not quite frame F, and presents a noticeably flatter bow. The Hornet plans don't have a profile, but if you plot the flat front and set the forecastle deck back a frame (see attachments) you get a noticeably different profile. And all of a sudden the difference between the two subtypes is a lot clearer. It's not just the flat front - it's the long straight "neck" and flatter bow compared to the rounded bow ships.
I am assuming that all the SCB-27A/C ships got the wartime long hull if they didn't already have it - and this trimming back was something that was done to the later SCB-27A/C ships when they received their hurricane bows to further address the slamming issue from the flared "long hull" bows. I was wondering if anyone had a source that specifically addressed this. Or tied the flat front configuration to the truncated forecastle deck?
I saw one post that indicated that it might have had something to do with the secondary conn, and that actually makes sense now. The "rounded bow" ships essentially rose vertically from the froward tip of the forecastle, so there was no need for a flat surface - it was already essentially flat. But the flat front ships' forecastle deck ended about four feet aft of the front of the secondary conn. So the flat front would have served the practical purpose of maximizing the deck space of the secondary conn, adding a knuckle underneath the compartment.


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PostPosted: Mon May 02, 2022 7:32 am 
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SCB bows do make for a very interesting discussion and as you pointed out, they were not all the same. Tracy White may have some information on how Hornet's bow was altered and why it is differently shaped from Essex, Intrepid and other ships of the class.

The Navsource photos below show Lexington receiving her new hurricane bow. Note that a very large portion the original bow was cut away. The original open space between the forecastle and the flight deck was not simply plated over, the existing bow was in fact replaced. Two entirely new bow sections were created on shore then attached to the ship. Yard photos call these new structures "Section No.1" and "Section No.2". The two sections are essentially (1) an extension of the hull and (2) a rounded cap. The first photo shows the new bow extension being fit to the hull. The next three photos show the rounded cap. The extension was attached to the hull and the cap was attached to the extension, completing the enclosure (fifth photo).

Compare Lexington's bow to Hornet, Intrepid and Yorktown (last three photos). All of these ships are "short-hull" Essex class carriers, yet their new bows are all different to some degree.


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A number of years ago Ray Bean did an excellent article for The magazine Plastic Ship Modeler which identified the different bow shapes of the SCB-27C ships. I still have the article and would post it but I believe Ray has a copywrite on the material. We might be able to convince Ray to post the drawings he did.


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Which PSM issue is it in? I subscribed late in their run, but see some are available on eBay.


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Hi Michael,

Michael Smith wrote:
Which PSM issue is it in? I subscribed late in their run, but see some are available on eBay.


According to
viewtopic.php?f=59&t=18158&hilit=Carrier+Builders+What%27s+on+the+Slipway&start=420
should be issues 18, 19 and 20.

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Do I understand correctly that the cold-war Essexs were updated to 4 x 5-blade screws?


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https://www.navsource.org/archives/02/021116s.jpg Ship's propeller. It is on display in the Hangar Deck of the Museum and has a diameter of about 15 feet (4.57 meters).
https://www.navsource.org/archives/02/11a.htm


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I found this of CV-38:

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/co ... _four_uss/


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Need info on the two 40 mm gun tubs on the port side aft of the elevator and forward of the open 5 inch guns. They are slightly below the catwalks. Any photos or good drawing info will help. This is for a 1/96 scale model. I am not sure if they are attached to the hull or to the flight deck overhang or a combination of both.

Also would the anchors be painted the same color as the hull is: example if the hull is Navy Blue then the anchor is Navy Blue and if it is Ocean gray then the anchor is the same.


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are you talking about ww2 carriers or post ww2?


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Navy2000 wrote:
Need info on the two 40 mm gun tubs on the port side aft of the elevator and forward of the open 5 inch guns. They are slightly below the catwalks. Any photos or good drawing info will help. This is for a 1/96 scale model. I am not sure if they are attached to the hull or to the flight deck overhang or a combination of both.

https://www.navsource.org/archives/02/021769.jpg
https://www.navsource.org/archives/02/021099.jpg
https://www.navsource.org/archives/02/0211an.jpg
The photos aren't great, but show that the supports angled back to the hangar side. They were not supported by struts down to the hangar level as the cold-war era 3" twin mount tub were, though.


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On the port side 40mm quads during the war, I believe it depends on the ship and the time. I think later ships., and ships after 1945 refits (Franklin) had the 40mm quads mounted lower than they were initially. So there are two levels, and which your ship had depends on which time period you're talking about.
I am assuming this was for stability - they were lowering mounts to try to make the ships less top-heavy. But I have not seen any specific discussion of this. Just noticed - and this is specific to CV-13 - that the mounts on the port side were lower when she came out of the refit than they had been. (Some may have been new but were mounted lower than the older ships).


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DavidP wrote:
are you talking about ww2 carriers or post ww2?



WW II time frame.

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Michael Smith wrote:
On the port side 40mm quads during the war, I believe it depends on the ship and the time. I think later ships., and ships after 1945 refits (Franklin) had the 40mm quads mounted lower than they were initially. So there are two levels, and which your ship had depends on which time period you're talking about.
I am assuming this was for stability - they were lowering mounts to try to make the ships less top-heavy. But I have not seen any specific discussion of this. Just noticed - and this is specific to CV-13 - that the mounts on the port side were lower when she came out of the refit than they had been. (Some may have been new but were mounted lower than the older ships).


I am working on CV 14 USS Ticonderoga.

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then you should be posting in this thread viewtopic.php?f=46&t=4802 as about ww2 Essex class carriers as this thread that you are posting in is about post ww2 Essex class carriers.


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