The Ship Model Forum

hey guys, while i was trolling the net looking for reference pics and i found these awsome shots! the first one i wish i would have seen about three months ago when i was doin my ground tackle area.it looks like after WWII they just walled all of it in, but everything is still there just like the AOTS has it as well as the few scant pics i've found. but hereit is:



and the second is of the hanger bay area of the yorktown specifically the conflagulation station. this is what i was looking for in the first place enjoy:



anyone know what those four darker things are hanging on the right side of the sloped wall are?

_________________
i love it when a plan comes together

it's better to be loved for what you are then to be hated for what you're not

gun barrels. That's a Magic Carpet picture, so be aware it's post war and therefore late configuration.

_________________
Tracy White -Researcher@Large

"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman

thanks for the info tracy i couldn't find a year on the site with the photo. acording to your link the operation "magic carpet" took place while the pacific theater was still active in '46 so wouldn't this still be represenative of the ships after thier '45ish refit?

_________________
i love it when a plan comes together

it's better to be loved for what you are then to be hated for what you're not

Pretty much, albeit it depends on the ship. Bunker Hill I know was finishing an overhaul in September 1945, so photos shot at that time wouldn't reflect a wartime fit per se.

_________________
Tracy White -Researcher@Large

"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman

Some new catwalk work installed on Yorktown:

viewtopic.php?f=59&p=233877#p233877

_________________
Have fun, Monkey around.™

-Steve L.

Complete catalog: - https://www.model-monkey.com/
Follow Model Monkey® on Facebook: - https://www.facebook.com/modelmonkeybookandhobby

After some discussion about some CASF threads getting too big with the site owner, editors and other moderators, we have decided to move in-progress builds each to their own thread under Picture Post to keep them from getting "lost in the sauce".

Capt652's magnificent Shangri La has been moved (per his request) here:
viewtopic.php?f=59&t=36797

sumpter250's superb Randolph has been moved here:
viewtopic.php?f=59&t=36803

FlyingLow's terrific Ticonderoga has been moved here:
viewtopic.php?f=59&t=36802

Tony Bunch's superb Bunker Hill:
viewtopic.php?f=60&t=36805

Jean Barby's stunning Intrepid:
viewtopic.php?f=60&t=34005

_________________
Have fun, Monkey around.™

-Steve L.

Complete catalog: - https://www.model-monkey.com/
Follow Model Monkey® on Facebook: - https://www.facebook.com/modelmonkeybookandhobby

Is it true that CV-10 Yorktown had a green hull when she was in Navy Blue in 1943/44 ?
I remember I read somewhere about it.

Green as in algae yes. Green as in paint no. I first ran across mention of this in a book and was able to mostly confirm it with her docking report from Puget Sound Naval shipyard... from memory something like 90% of the hull was fouled due to failure of the primer underneath the anti-fouling.

_________________
Tracy White -Researcher@Large

"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman

hey guys, it's been a while since i have posted. been working on this essex/moving again/looking for work. i'm done with the ground tackle area and i'm probably about 70% done with the hanger bay !! my next areas to tackle are the verry bak of the ship by the rear quads on the hanger level, and the island. i've found alot of decent shots of the rear area, it's the island i'm concerned with. on the island you have the "flag deck?" and the "plot bridge?" i've heard at different times these were either opened or enclosed, and that there was different shapes to them? i'm doing this intrepid like it was after the '45 refit i haven't been able to find any good DATED shots. any one know the configurations of the diffent bridges around that time frame? what about the radars and such? any info would be great! thanks. with out you guys and your willingness to help out someone who has no experiance on these ships i'd be dead in the water i'll try to have pics up shortly to show the progress.

_________________
i love it when a plan comes together

it's better to be loved for what you are then to be hated for what you're not

Originally there were three quad 40mms on the islands, but the Navy saw a need to expand the flag bridge, used by admirals who were aboard carriers using them as flag ships. TO do so the forward quad 40mm was removed and the existing flag area extended further forward. This lengthened the deck in front of the pilot house bridge, and in many cases the pilot house was enlarged as well. Not so on Intrepid, so you're probably safe with whatever kit you have as none of them represented the long pilot house. If there are two quad 40mms on the forward portion of the island you'll have to remove one.. you can see the difference in pictures.

_________________
Tracy White -Researcher@Large

"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman

Thank you for your explanation.
In fact I thought Yorktown had received only green primer without antifouling red in that period.


Talking about Intrepid: according to AOTS there were almost no changes in bridge area, during her early 1945 refit. As I remember SK was still on the top of mast, Mk 4 radar for Mk 37 directors was replaced by Mk 12/22. I have not seen any close photos of CV-11 bridge from that period.



Interesting that admiral Mitscher chose CV-16 for his flag ship as she still had early bridge in 1944.

alright guys i have a delima. i'm using the dragon lexington model and doing her up as the intrepid, as she apeared after the 1945 refit. in the pictures below the kit directions call for the parts labled "M-5" and "M-1" they're the bottom set. but as i investigated the rest of the sprues i noticed the other sets.(G-1,G-2 and E-1,E-4) there isn't much differance between part "M-1" and "G-2", the blue circled bump out is all i could see different. now "E-1" is alot more snub nosed than "M-1" and "G-2". and if you look at the second pic, it shows the bottoms of the pilot house, you can see that "E-1" has a much shorter flag bridge than the others. which one of the three would you think would best represent the intrepid of that time?


also if you look to the left of the top pic you'll see the flag bridge level railings. "M-5" is the one that the dirrections recomend, but again i found two more sets as well. now these varry much greater than the pilot house peices. the "M-5" peice is more like a rounded arrow head shape at the left most portionof the pic,"G-1" is a completly rounded off area to the far left, and "E-4" is verry angular and the circular tub on the verry left area of the pic is quite large compared to the other two. as for the aots book i only found one decent shot of this area labled after 1945 on pg.27-pic#17 it was kind of hard to make out which one it looked more like. on pages 38-41-no date- the flag level fesembles more"E-4" and the pilot house level looks morelike "E-1". but if you look at the diagram on pg #73-1944- the flag level resembles "G-1" and the pilot looks more like "M-1".





right now i'm so confused as to which one i should use! it's just driving me insane!!!! any input or sugenstions on this would be great. you guys know these ships sooooo much better than i could ever hope to. please help me to iron this major confusing mess out.

BTW i have found a list of the radars and radio equipment for '45 so i'm good there, thanks.

_________________
i love it when a plan comes together

it's better to be loved for what you are then to be hated for what you're not

I think that you should use drawings from AOTS for configuration after 1944 refit.

I don’t know 1/700 kits from Dragon, but part M1 seems to be right. In regard to parts from left side of photo I’m not sure – in my opinion you should have something like part H2 from Randolph kit (look here and here) for the level below M1.

o.k. here's another indepth question that i have. on the island of my model (the dragon 1/700 lexington that i'm turning into the intrepid after 1945) as you can see in the pics from my last post i decided to go with M-1 as the main bridge and G-1 as the flag bridge. i did this because all i could find close to the date that i'm shootin for is the 1944 depiction on pg. 73 of the aots. this caused an issue resulting in my next question. in the aots all of the 1944 data shows that the flag bridge balcony NOT having the tub on the front of it for the "mk 51 director" but having this tub on a tower just in front of the island,rising from the flight deck. now i have seen pics with both configurations, none of them dated,so what do you thin i should do? should i remove the tub from the flag area and add the tower?(the kit has the peices to do either or) or should i leave the "mk 51 director" on the flag level? i have no problems removing the tub and scratching the new rail for the flag level, i just want to get this right.

_________________
i love it when a plan comes together

it's better to be loved for what you are then to be hated for what you're not

hey guys figured after all this time i'd show alittle of what the ship is looking like so far.i know the paint sucks right now but that will all be removed and shot with airbrush latter. i just applied a quick bit as i go to see if seams ar filled with the glue or if i have glops since the CA glue is clear sometime it makes it hard to discern. but anyway, the first pic is the ground tackle area(no photoetch has been aplied to anthing yet) the next two are the starboard side of the hanger deck after a few light mods then to finish up is the avation repair room area to the rear of the hanger bay.

_________________
i love it when a plan comes together

it's better to be loved for what you are then to be hated for what you're not

You're going to have to use the pedastal (tower) and cut the bridge... look at NH 97468 for the forward shape.

_________________
Tracy White -Researcher@Large

"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman

Hey, raser, love the detail!

_________________
Have fun, Monkey around.™

-Steve L.

Complete catalog: - https://www.model-monkey.com/
Follow Model Monkey® on Facebook: - https://www.facebook.com/modelmonkeybookandhobby

thank you sir, your yorktown build-up has been a great inspiration to me! i will not however be adding the roof details that you have added to your hanger bay though. the dragon model comes with both a colored flight deck and a clear one. i intend to use the clear one to showcase the added details in both the hanger and the groundtackle areas. i thought of doing the rooms up there in clear plasticat first,buuuuut when i tried it you couldn't see through all of the edges of the walls so well and it actually took away from the model. oh well. thank you for the compliment.

_________________
i love it when a plan comes together

it's better to be loved for what you are then to be hated for what you're not

Gentlemen, I have been making slow and steady progress on my Essex. Much of my work has been thanks to each of you who have given me advice and references. My latest question involves the steps from the catwalks to the flight deck. I have no idea where to locate any of them. My ship is CV-9 Essex in 1943. Any help or (ideally) diagrams would be much appreciated.

John

Glenn Arnold's Essex class book should have them... Raven's Essex class and Floating Drydock plans as well.

_________________
Tracy White -Researcher@Large

"Let the evidence guide the research. Do not have a preconceived agenda which will only distort the result."
-Barbara Tuchman