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Hi AmateurModeler!

Just my two cents, the ATOS book is a must have. Anyone that is going to spend so much time on a build of a capital ship such as a mighty aircraft carrier needs to have this book for reference. It sure helps me understand the mechanicals of a very complex ship.

Capt652

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Hey Am Mo,

What scale are you building, 1:700 or 1:350?

Capt652

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I have a quick, and maybe stupid question.

On page 49 of Warship Perspectives: Essex Class Carriers in World War Two, there is a photo of USS Princeton (CV 37) in drydock. Just above the cradle, inboard of the shaft, there is some sort of opening visible.

Can anyone tell me what this is?

Around the hobby shop this afternoon the leading ideas are (tongue firmly in cheek):
1. Glass viewport to watch for submarines
2. Hatch to deploy frogmen
3. Exhaust port (watch out for the X-Wing fighters!)

TIA for any help.

Don

It's a cooling water discharge port for the after generators in after auxillarry machinery room.

EJ

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Thanks!

Don

Hi all!

I posted an update on my "Shangri-La".

viewtopic.php?f=59&t=36797&p=247800#p247800

Capt652

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Hello

Does anybody knows what was the real shade used as a primer, on the real carriers ?

Why not try and find a copy of the book "The Fighting Lady" by Clark G. Reynolds, ISBN 0-933126-78-6 it’s published by Pictorial Histories out of Missoula Montana. It’s the new Yorktown’s Pacific War story.

I´ve read in several sources that Yorktown switched from MS 33 10A to MS 21 in 1945, but does anybody knows exactly when ?

Thanks.

I believe Yorktown was painted into Ms. 21 between June 13-22 1945 at San Pedro, Philippines. The issue of primer paint color I believe was Dark Green(84-D)

Thanks Keith.
May I ask where have you found that little (but important) piece of information ???

The primer question is also one that I´ve asked myself many times...

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I have it as March 1st in my notes per "Fighting Lady: New Yorktown in the Pacific War" (P. 243 for those that have it) by Clark G. Reynolds. I don't have my copy with me so I can't quote the exact passage at this time.

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That piece of info must have slipped by unnoticed when I read the book. I´m going to check that out, too...

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OK, I have my copy available and did some more digging. I was incorrect, it was actually page 242; left column of text near the bottom:



This was on March 6th as VF-3 was leaving. While it doesn't mention what she was painted in, I came across documents for late 1944 and early 1945 that discussed discontinuing dazzle schemes due to the kamikaze threat. This document posted mid January shows that the Navy had plans to paint Yorktown in Ms 21 at least that early. "An" order went out at the end of February (here) but I don't know if it is "the" order and also doubt that it would have transmitted out to Yorktown from Washington DC that fast.

Regardless, the photo of her on page 253, "Bomb Sunday" the 18th of March looks like Measure 21 to me. I could be mistaken, of course.

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Or you are absolutelly right...if the caption is correct !!! I had already read through that part, and I also know for sure that they DID get a fresh paint job at that time, because I had read that in another source (I can´t remember the name of the book- a personnal onboard account from a lieutenant). But that source also failed to tell exactly what Measure she was painted with.
I´m still not near my "Fighting Lady" copy, but I´m going to check that out, as well as my other source, as soon as I leave duty. Thanks.

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I took a look at the photo in page 253 of "The Fighting Lady" and I must say that I´m not completelly convinced that it is a proof that Yorktown was already painted MS21 at that time (March 45). I can see why you think that way, because the starboard 40mm sponsoons are all the same shade, as well as the 5´gun mounts and the island. But if you take a look at the previous scheme (MS32/10A ) you´ll notice that all the area covered by this picture was painted with the same colour (5-L Light Gray). The only exception was the 40mm sponsoon closer to the camera, which in the MS32/10A paint diagram, was supposed to be "split" between two colours (5-O Ocean Gray and 5-L Light Gray). And there lies the doubt...in this photo, that sponsoon is only painted in one colour. Now, is that a proof that she was already in MS21 or that the paint job done on the MS32/10A was not 100% correct ???

Also, the book I mentioned earlier is named "Aircraft Carrier" and was written by J.Bryan, III. Its a kind of diary that he kept while he was onboard Yorktown (30Jan45 - 30Apr45), and on page 63 he wrote:



So, no doubt that Yorktown did get a paint job while at Ulithi. MS32 "overhaul" or a brand new MS21 ??? The author doesn´t mention...

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PS - Would Mr. Keith be kind enough to let us know, why does he thinks that Yorktown got her MS21 scheme only in July ?

Hi all!

Could anyone tell me what color the lattice antenna towers and screens would be with a MS 21 scheme?

Thanks

Capt652

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Same color as the rest of the vertical surfaces.

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Thanks Tracy, I painted them today...

Capt652

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Jose, the primer info was listed in Floating Drydock's Camouflage II and the paint change date info was in Warship's Data 5. Glad to help.