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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 6:44 am 
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Once again, thanks Tim.

As for the sub-flight deck structures, here's a photo of the same on Courageous. They look to me like they have small platforms mid-level with railings:

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Thanks for the tip on the forward 0.5inch quad. Here's a better angle on Glorious:


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I've got photos of the port rear sponson, but can't see any 0.5 inch. Unless they were starboard side?

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:49 pm 
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The sub-flight deck structures are not dissimilar to the two fittings each side of ARK ROYAL's flight deck abreast after ends of the catapults, which raised her longitudinal windbreaks.

The 26 May 1940 photo of GLORIOUS from dead astern, taken from HIGHLANDER, shows four slanting projections, again looking like gun barrels, outboard of the two Hurricanes on the port after corner of the flight deck, with the supports for a sponson just aft of the after port HF aerial mast. A clearer view is the photo at http://glarac.co.uk/files/images/HMS%20Glorious%20dock%20(600%20x%20390)_0.jpg, where the mounting is covered - the dark object just aft of the after port HF aerial mast. The sponson is also visible in this photo: https://www.flickr.com/photos/36758831@N04/4887924777/
Incidentally, Burt says this about COURAGEOUS' light anti-aircraft armament after her 1935-36 refit: "LAA added as in Glorious except that multiple 0.5in were on the starboard side instead of port side. 2 pdrs added (4 instead of 8 barrels)." She seems to have had a different arrangement of sponsons just below the starboard after corner of her flight deck after this refit - examination of a higher-resolution version of this photo - http://www.hmscourageous.co.uk/assets/images/39-ac.jpg - shows a rounded sponson, just larger than the quadruple 0.5" mounting it contains, jus aft of the after starboard HF aerial mast, and just below flight deck level. GLORIOUS had a similar arrangement to port.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2017 2:19 pm 
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Thanks - got it. I have that photo and have cropped a high res version. It definitely shows the quad 0.5inch:

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:37 am 
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The island configuration of Glorious in 1940 is an obscure topic...

it was continously enlarged, the canvas screens were replaced by steel structures, wind deflectors

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 31, 2017 6:49 am 
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And then by the time of the Norwegian Campaign a further level was added to the island.
Unfortunately these are the images of the poorest quality some of them are merely screenshots from a British Pathe documentary. I'm planning a model of Glorious in Norway but the scarcity of information about the island is a major obstacle, really.


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Regarding HMS Hermes camouflage in 1942...

Vlad wrote:
SovereignHobbies, can you explain your labeling in those photos please? On the hull, you label the bow and stern as the same colour when to me it looks like the light stripe diagonally under the bridge is the same colour as the stern and the bow is darker.

The schemes I've seen use AP507A as the obviously darkest colour on the hull, B5 as the mid colour on the bow and the pattern on the bridge, and AP507C as the base/lightest colour everywhere else (middle hull and stern included). Do you have something that actively disproves this? Are you just speculating with your labeling, as those colour combinations all could come out looking quite different!


I would also be very interested to read opinions on this matter. I have all the colours for a future build (also the revised B5, read the PDF and I am convinced). If anyone more knowledgeable can give his/her opinion or point me in the right direction for research, I will be very grateful! :wave_1:

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:02 pm 
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Hello all

Last week I receive the Flyhawk HMS Hermes and the Aoshima HMS Hermes in
the same day.

The Flyhawk is very impressive but the Aoshima is nice too with the extra
PE so I will make both in the same time

I start to search for some reference picture for around 1935 and 1925 .

I found this site with some picture and drawing of the earlier aircraft carrier, its in
Japanese ...I think, but google translate the textes and it is ok for most of the textes !!!

https://translate.google.com/translate? ... wing%2F711

My plan is to make one around 1925 and the other around 1935 in the china
station colors scheme, if you have some picture around those period, I will be
happy to see it but at the end I will try my best to accurate as possible with
what I have found on the net

I love the idea of put some Camel and early torpedo plane for the 1925 and some
Flycatcher and big ugly biplane on the 1935 with some float plane and junk ....
and maybe one hold destroyer

So if someone can help me with the picture of the HMS Hermes,sadly is not
a very prolific ship on the net

I will try my best to update my progress here and will start with the planes

Have a nice one

Marc P


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Does anyone here know how to paint Hermes' stern/quarterdeck area just below the aft flight deck/fantail? Was that deck area linoleum wood or metal? The instructions in a kit I have don't say.

I've circled the area I'm talking about in a scan of the Aoshima Hermes instructions posted below:

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:53 am 
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Gloup-Gloup wrote:
I will try my best to update my progress here and will start with the planes

Marc,

Good luck with your build. If you want to post in-progress photos, it's best to start a new post in this forum: viewforum.php?f=59

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 6:05 pm 
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Haijun watcher wrote:
Does anyone here know how to paint Hermes' stern/quarterdeck area just below the aft flight deck/fantail? Was that deck area linoleum wood or metal? The instructions in a kit I have don't say.


The quarterdeck immediately abaft the hangar was an aircraft-handling area, as the aft lift--unlike that of most other carriers-- was outside the hangar, itself. I definitely think it was NOT wood-planked as of the ship's final configuration at Ceylon. The area underneath the lift, itself--when in its lowered position, would not likely be "friendly" to corticene and hold-down brass strips. There seem to be two different areas of the ship's quarterdeck as well, the portion aft of the aircraft-handling area appearing to be somewhat higher than the area abaft the rearmost vertical flight-deck support girders.

Aerial images dating from pre-WW2 years (early to mid-1930s?) reveal the aftermost quarterdeck was quite a dark grey shade, certainly darker than the flight deck grey tone. One of those images was taken in bright sunlight under a starboard-favoring angle; that photo reveals a notably dark grey (almost black) tone is present. The freeboard of Hermes in the area of her quarterdeck was very low, and I'm not sure if metal footing strips were used for non-slip.

From this, I would suggest a dark, deck-grey with a matte finish, as a non-slip paint was almost certainly applied to the quarterdeck, possibly of a similar tone to the dark-grey steel foredecks of many RN battleships, battlecruisers, etc. These strips, if used in the aircraft-handling area, may not have been present, if used at all, on the steel plating directly under the aft lift.

My ha-penny's worth, if it helps...


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 11:43 am 
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Hello everyone,

Very interesting information regarding the quarterdeck, thanks! I have a question regarding HMS Hermes airwing in 1942. The book "Stringbag: The Fairey Swordfish at War" by David Wragg states that 814 Squadron was assigned to the carrier. It then states that the markings for this squadron were 701-710; then A3A+ to H3A+

As I understand from an earlier post, the aircraft would likely have a one-letter code back aft of the roundel. The question is: What are the ranges of the codes and what color would that be? Also, is there a consensus on what colors where used in the camouflage?

Thank you all in advance! :wave_1:

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Last Christmas I received a "Striking Richelieu/Dakar" Aoshima Hermes for a gift and decided to build it as the Indian Ocean version instead. Upon comparing the various Aoshima kits before starting my Hermes build, I concluded that the Dakar/Striking Richelieu version and the two Indian Ocean versions were pretty much identical, save for a couple of key differences in the ship parts, aside from the various extras that came with each version. (The Dakar version also has the IJN gunboat Suma included as a extra. Suma used to be the British gunboat HMS Cicala before her capture during the war and the parts can be built as any Insect class gunboat)

The Striking Richelieu/Dakar version of the Hermes has a slightly different mast (both parts labelled D38 circled below are not in the Indian Ocean versions), as seen in the scan of the instructions below:
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Meanwhile the "Ceylon" and "Indian Ocean Raid" versions both have the same mast seen below since they both depict the same ship as she was in 1942, though the "Indian Ocean Raid" version also has attacking Japanese carrier dive bombers on stands. The part labelled B5 is actually available in all versions including the Dakar version (even if that version doesn't need it as seen above), so I was able to build it as the 1942 version.

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